Protagoras Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 As many know Taiwan is a point of great tension in international relations pertaining to the U.S. and China. As a little bit of background for people who may not be well versed on the subject, after World War Two the Chinese civil war resumed and with support from Russia the People’s republic of China defeated the Republic of China. The ROC then fled to the island of Taiwan and has governed there ever since. However the PRC believes that because it won the civil war it has rights to the island of Taiwan. Currently ROC is at peace with Taiwan because its aggression is looked down upon and the USA has stated that it will support Taiwan if it comes to war. History aside, a few people in the USA do not believe it to be advantageous to defend Taiwan if China were to invade it. The main reason for this is because of the massive amount of economic power China currently holds over the world. This means that if the American government decides to go to war with China over Taiwan, the world’s economy, along with a lot of western power goes down the drain. However, at the same time there are a great many who would say that we should defend Taiwan even if it means a war with China. For whatever reason nowadays it always seems to be the choice between the lesser of two evils instead of the greater of two goods. As such not defending Taiwan raises even greater problems. Foremost among them being the fact that not defending Taiwan could lead to China gaining even more power over Asia. This would be caused by a series of practically unavoidable events. First, because the US did not defend Taiwan they would be mistrusted by other nations and these other nations would be far more hesitant to trust the U.S. to create some sort of coalition to defend Asia from China. Then because China would not have to worry about a U.S. military presence in Taiwan or an alliance between other Asian nations to stop China’s expansion it would continue to take more and more power in the pacific or other parts of Asia. The U.S. would then have to resort to either all out war or nuclear threats, both of which would be a very bad idea for obvious reasons. A war at this point would be even worse for the USA than before because the US would have already lost many allies to either China or to a lack of faith. After all who would trust a country that left its ally for dead against the same power you are currently fighting?Even if China were to just take Taiwan that still would make the U.S. lose a lot of faith from the international community and would cause there to be a major advantage for China if they ever decided to continue expanding in the future. Clearly this means the USA must defend Taiwan at all costs even if that means a war with China lest it be despised by the international community and weakened significantly in Asia. Surely we must defend Taiwan at all costs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Not really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Nothing will happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Interesting first post. Anyone know where it was copypasted from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Chiang Kai-shek is in a box. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protagoras Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lex said: Nothing will happen. I am certain that China is studying the war in Ukraine and trying to find a way to successfully take taiwan. If they manage to cut off Taiwan by surrounding it with their navy it would be far easier to conquer than Ukraine has been for China. They have already been quite aggressive towards Philippine and American ships in the South China Sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protagoras Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, BTFD said: Interesting first post. Anyone know where it was copypasted from? My brain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 China's been threatening to invade Taiwan for 75 years now, all bark, no bite. Look at the spanking they got when they tried to invade Vietnam.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 The Yanks really taking their declining influence well eh. American hegemony is on the way out, let's not nuke half the world in a tantrum please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protagoras Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: The Yanks really taking their declining influence well eh. American hegemony is on the way out, let's not nuke half the world in a tantrum please. I am simply saying that we should not let countries be controlled by countries they don’t want to be controlled by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Protagoras said: I am simply saying that we should not let countries be controlled by countries they don’t want to be controlled by. Aye, that would be terrible. Anyway, time to open my big book of historical military interventions and see who's been up to what over the last 75 years... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protagoras Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Aye, that would be terrible. Anyway, time to open my big book of historical military interventions and see who's been up to what over the last 75 years... In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. They haven’t attempted to take land out of greed, they have tried to protect other, weaker groups of people. That doesn’t mean we have always made the right decisions but at least we are trying to help -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 31 minutes ago, Protagoras said: In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. Hahahahahahahahhahhahahahhhahaah 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 33 minutes ago, Protagoras said: In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. They haven’t attempted to take land out of greed, they have tried to protect other, weaker groups of people. That doesn’t mean we have always made the right decisions but at least we are trying to help 0.5/10 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, Protagoras said: In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. They haven’t attempted to take land out of greed, they have tried to protect other, weaker groups of people. That doesn’t mean we have always made the right decisions but at least we are trying to help Hmm, you're either trolling or incredibly naive. America (and other nations) acts both overtly and covertly in its own strategic geopolitical and financial interests. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 43 minutes ago, Protagoras said: In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. They haven’t attempted to take land out of greed, they have tried to protect other, weaker groups of people. That doesn’t mean we have always made the right decisions but at least we are trying to help They or we? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I've just twigged the user name. Sophistry, you love to see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 50 minutes ago, Protagoras said: In my opinion the USA has only intervened in areas that it thought that it could help people have better lives. They haven’t attempted to take land out of greed, they have tried to protect other, weaker groups of people. That doesn’t mean we have always made the right decisions but at least we are trying to help You what mate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Protagoras said: My brain What was it about Scottish football site Pie & Bovril that attracted you to sign up and specifically post about relations between China and their territory Chinese Taipei? Between this and the Chinese university spamming, I'm curious about the meta tags that Div's using. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Taiwan is a province of the People’s Republic of China, not a separate country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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