ArabFC Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Realistically this will be the last shot for a bunch of our current key players to get to a World Cup - notably Robertson and McGinn would be 32 and McGregor 33. And we're in as good a position as we've been since 96-98 to do it. Does anyone know the seeding setup for qualifying? Don't want no play-offs, lets top that group! If it's based on Nations League rankings then finishing 3rd (or above) in the 24/25 Nations League group would make us pot one and finishing last pot two. If it's on FIFA ranking then we're currently 16th, but with a realistic chance of making it to 12th (currently Sweden) for pot one. Anyway, I'm going to every Scotland game now to ensure I can get tickets for the party. I did the same for Brazil, but hey-ho 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 One International competition at a time, sweet Jesus as Lena Martell might say. Let's get this one over with first. (And won) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, ArabFC said: Realistically this will be the last shot for a bunch of our current key players to get to a World Cup - notably Robertson and McGinn would be 32 and McGregor 33. And we're in as good a position as we've been since 96-98 to do it. Does anyone know the seeding setup for qualifying? Don't want no play-offs, lets top that group! If it's based on Nations League rankings then finishing 3rd (or above) in the 24/25 Nations League group would make us pot one and finishing last pot two. If it's on FIFA ranking then we're currently 16th, but with a realistic chance of making it to 12th (currently Sweden) for pot one. Anyway, I'm going to every Scotland game now to ensure I can get tickets for the party. I did the same for Brazil, but hey-ho I’m sure FIFA seed by world rankings. As it stands I think we’d be in pot 2. I think we’d need a really good euros and nations league campaign to threaten pot 1 in terms of world ranking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Group winners qualify directly Runners up go into a play off with the top 4 nations league teams who don't qualify directly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, MarkoRaj said: Group winners qualify directly Runners up go into a play off with the top 4 nations league teams who don't qualify directly Unless the rules have changed slightly, the 4 NL slots go to the best 4 group winners rather than the best 4 teams altogether. Given that there’s 24 slots to be filled through the main qualifying tournament for either direct qualification or the playoffs, you’d have to think at least one or two of the league C group winners will get a playoff. At the moment we are 17th in UEFA which is in the middle of pot 2. We’d need to climb 5 slots to sneak into pot 1. 3 of the 5 teams directly above us have a fairly significant risk of missing the euros (Sweden almost certain to miss out, and both Ukraine and Poland are likely relying on the playoffs) so hopefully we’d have a chance to climb above some of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I'm sure the rules are different for Uefa competition Vs FIFA From wiki Play-off stage: 16 teams (twelve group runners-up and four best Nations League group winners, based on the Nations League overall ranking, that finished outside the top two of their qualifying group) will be drawn into four play-off paths, playing two rounds of single-match playoffs (semi-finals with the seeded teams to host, followed by finals, with the home teams to be drawn). The four path winners will qualify for the World Cup finals League A Rnk Teamvte Pld Pts 1 Nations League Finals 1st place 0 0 2 Nations League Finals 2nd place 0 0 3 Nations League Finals 3rd place 0 0 4 Nations League Finals 4th place 0 0 5 1st best quarter-final loser 0 0 6 2nd best quarter-final loser 0 0 7 3rd best quarter-final loser 0 0 8 4th best quarter-final loser 0 0 9 1st best group 3rd place 0 0 10 2nd best group 3rd place 0 0 11 3rd best group 3rd place 0 0 12 4th best group 3rd place 0 0 13 1st best group 4th place 0 0 14 2nd best group 4th place 0 0 15 3rd best group 4th place 0 0 16 4th best group 4th place 0 0 League B Rnk Teamvte Pld Pts 17 1st best group 1st place 0 0 18 2nd best group 1st place 0 0 19 3rd best group 1st place 0 0 20 4th best group 1st place 0 0 21 1st best group 2nd place 0 0 22 2nd best group 2nd place 0 0 23 3rd best group 2nd place 0 0 24 4th best group 2nd place 0 0 25 1st best group 3rd place 0 0 26 2nd best group 3rd place 0 0 27 3rd best group 3rd place 0 0 28 4th best group 3rd place 0 0 29 1st best group 4th place 0 0 30 2nd best group 4th place 0 0 31 3rd best group 4th place 0 0 32 4th best group 4th place 0 0 League C Rnk Teamvte Pld Pts 33 1st best group 1st place 0 0 34 2nd best group 1st place 0 0 35 3rd best group 1st place 0 0 36 4th best group 1st place 0 0 37 1st best group 2nd place 0 0 38 2nd best group 2nd place 0 0 39 3rd best group 2nd place 0 0 40 4th best group 2nd place 0 0 41 1st best group 3rd place 0 0 42 2nd best group 3rd place 0 0 43 3rd best group 3rd place 0 0 44 4th best group 3rd place 0 0 45 1st best group 4th place 0 0 46 2nd best group 4th place 0 0 47 3rd best group 4th place 0 0 48 4th best group 4th place 0 0 League D Rnk Teamvte Pld Pts 49 1st best group 1st place 0 0 50 2nd best group 1st place 0 0 51 1st best group 2nd place 0 0 52 2nd best group 2nd place 0 0 53 1st best group 3rd place 0 0 54 2nd best group 3rd place 0 0 55 Group D1 4th place 0 0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) So group winners of the lower leagues don't actually matter too much because they're still behind League A no matter what It's difficult to see 3rd place in league A not guaranteeing a play off Good chance all League A participants should be in with a shout tbh Edited October 16, 2023 by MarkoRaj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Current overall rankings based on last Nations League Only Poland, Netherlands and Croatia would need a play off if the same criteria was used this time around Edited October 16, 2023 by MarkoRaj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 In which case that has changed since the last World Cup. Austria and Czech Republic (both league B group winners) were given the two playoff spots for nations league teams whereas Bosnia-Herzegovina, a league A team at the time, missed out entirely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Seeding won't be determined for over a year, so still plenty of time for us to move up (or down). It seems like it'll still be exclusively group winners for the Nations League play-off spot, but with the changes to the qualifying format the quality of 3rd seed should be a bit lower than in the current format (25th-36th best rather than 21st-30th best). Edited October 16, 2023 by craigkillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: Group winners qualify directly That's all I needed to know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Seeding won't be determined for over a year, so still plenty of time for us to move up (or down). It seems like it'll still be exclusively group winners for the Nations League play-off spot, but with the changes to the qualifying format the quality of 3rd seed should be a bit lower than in the current format (25th-36th best rather than 21st-30th best). If the draw was today: Pot 1 - France, England, Belgium, Croatia, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Ukraine Pot 2 - Austria, Serbia, Poland, Scotland, Hungary, Wales, Czech Republic, Turkey, Norway, Romania, Slovakia, Greece Pot 3 - Finland, Ireland, Slovenia, Albania, Bosnia, North Macedonia, Iceland, Montenegro, Israel, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Georgia Pot 4 - Luxembourg, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Kosovo, Estonia, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Lithuania, Andorra Pot 5 - Moldova, Malta, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, San Marino I don’t think we should be too worried about any of those pot 3 teams so I’d back us to get at least a playoff. Slovenia and Albania would be the trickiest customers as both are rapidly improving sides. Conversely there’s a few pot 1 teams that I’d back us to go and win the group over. Sweden in particular are guff and their current world ranking being so good tells me that the ranking system is based over way too long of a period to be particularly relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 f**k me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: f**k me. It’s never too early to be thinking ahead. Indeed, taking the Nations League seriously is a big part of the reason why we’ve gotten where we are not (both in terms of euro 2020 where we got in through the playoffs, and doing well in the most recent instance to clinch a pot 2 seeding for the upcoming euros) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 15 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: Group winners qualify directly Runners up go into a play off with the top 4 nations league teams who don't qualify directly The fact there are now 12 groups rather than 10 should increase our chances of winning a group slightly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Donathan said: If the draw was today: Pot 1 - France, England, Belgium, Croatia, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Ukraine Pot 2 - Austria, Serbia, Poland, Scotland, Hungary, Wales, Czech Republic, Turkey, Norway, Romania, Slovakia, Greece Pot 3 - Finland, Ireland, Slovenia, Albania, Bosnia, North Macedonia, Iceland, Montenegro, Israel, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Georgia Pot 4 - Luxembourg, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Kosovo, Estonia, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Lithuania, Andorra Pot 5 - Moldova, Malta, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, San Marino I don’t think we should be too worried about any of those pot 3 teams so I’d back us to get at least a playoff. Slovenia and Albania would be the trickiest customers as both are rapidly improving sides. Conversely there’s a few pot 1 teams that I’d back us to go and win the group over. Sweden in particular are guff and their current world ranking being so good tells me that the ranking system is based over way too long of a period to be particularly relevant. So group winners qualify, then all 2nd placed teams go into a playoff format along with 4 NL teams? Edited October 17, 2023 by Honest_Man#1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: So group winners qualify, then all 2nd placed teams go into a playoff go set along with 4 NL teams? Correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: That's all I needed to know Quite possibly the worst song ever written by the guy that brought us hits like Desperado, Tequila Sunrise and Hotel California. Prepare yer ears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 hours ago, Donathan said: Conversely there’s a few pot 1 teams that I’d back us to go and win the group over. Sweden in particular are guff and their current world ranking being so good tells me that the ranking system is based over way too long of a period to be particularly relevant. It uses the chess ELO system now which means every match there is a multiplier applied to your current rating based on the same factors as before. It means there is no timescale or drop-off of previous games, so yes I think that will mean that it will take a long time for historic matches to level out. We're certainly gaining on them though September 2018 Scotland 1448 Sweden 1550 September 2023 Scotland 1522 Sweden 1538 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I look forward to super john McGinn to the tune of achy breaky heart being belted out in Nashville 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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