LatapyBairn. Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Rocco said: What is Alfie’s contract situation? I can’t remember if he had a 2 year deal or not Was 2 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPM Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 7 hours ago, Hugh Hillshaveyes said: Nope...we can never forget the damage he done to our club by bringing jokers in from non league down sarf..I'll remain convinced there was an incentive outwith team building for him to do so Your long term anger should be for those who 1. employed him 2. The Brentford model and closing the Academy and allowing it to you checked. That ultimately led to all this and that is where the real damage was done. Hartley signed the rubbish I don’t disagree but we had plenty of opportunity to fix that season and bottled it at home to Morton and Alloa and away to QOS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPM Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said: I would say Agyeman has contributed much more in terms of goals and assists than Ross. 8 goals and 4 assists compared to 2 goals and 5 assists. Ross for me doesn’t contribute much in too many games whereas Agyeman is more of a handful for defenders (even if unpredictable). Will any of your opinions ever turn out well? You really don’t have much of a clue about football do you? You have turned from constantly slaughtering Nesbitt and his contract extension to Ross getting on the end of your pointy finger. Give up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPM Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, GMBairn said: In regards to the Hartley stuff I'll be content to still hate the greasy wee rat 50 years from now when I'm almost 90. f**k him and f**k Gary Holt. Gary Holt did more damage than Hartley. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, BPM said: Your long term anger should be for those who 1. employed him 2. The Brentford model and closing the Academy and allowing it to you checked. That ultimately led to all this and that is where the real damage was done. Hartley signed the rubbish I don’t disagree but we had plenty of opportunity to fix that season and bottled it at home to Morton and Alloa and away to QOS. This is spot on. I’ve often wondered why so many fans lay the blame at Harley’s door for our demise. Yes he made a complete mess whilst he was manager but a lot of what happened were decisions made by the people who are meant to have the clubs best interest at heart. I’m not saying the abuse is unwarranted, however, it’s like blaming someone in middle management for the collapse of a company. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 6 hours ago, bairn88 said: 6 goals and 3 assists for Alfie in very limited league game time compared to 1 league goal for Ross - if there’s only space for one of them next year I’d be keeping Alfie given he’s our player under contract 8 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said: I would say Agyeman has contributed much more in terms of goals and assists than Ross. 8 goals and 4 assists compared to 2 goals and 5 assists. Ross for me doesn’t contribute much in too many games whereas Agyeman is more of a handful for defenders (even if unpredictable). These type of comments annoy me with modern day football. So many fans look at scoring and assist stats to decide who is a better player or if someone is good enough to sign without taking any other info into account. For me Ross brings so much more to the team than Alfie and gets involved in a lot of the build up play. I suspect the reason we have seen less of Alfie is because he can’t be trusted to make the correct decision when it counts and this has led to his lack of game time. I like Alfie and I think he could be a valuable asset with his pace, strength and skill, however, I also believe Ross fits into our style of play better than Alfie and even if he has less goals and assists, he offers more to our general play than Alfie does 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, BPM said: Gary Holt did more damage than Hartley. Absolutely. Watched the game back last night and was good to see Lee Miller. Started thinking about his and McCracken’s time in charge and you forget how much Holt actually ruined them. Forced them to change to his favoured formation and his spell as interim manager was dreadful. Then you add on all the dreadful signings he made, the poor appointment of Rennie and then his comments at the Q&A and you realise just how dreadful he was for the club. Im not saying Miller and McCracken would have succeeded if Holt wasn’t there as the cracks had started to show before Holt was appointed but there is no denying things got considerably worse after his appointment. Edited April 7 by Rocco 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Craig Campbell carries a lot of the can for the disaster that Hartelys reign become, but not how horrible a little shit Hartley was. Football is all about heroes and villains and this has been our first chance to work it up him. I don't want to be singing about the wee p***k next season, but that said, the Cove games have been great and getting it up him is part of it! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestAl Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rocco said: Absolutely. Watched the game back last night and was good to see Lee Miller. Me too, over the course of last night & this morning. As much as I detest BBC Scotland in general, their Championship & League One coverage is fantastic to watch for saddos like myself who love Scottish Football (bigot bros. aside). The lad that presented the coverage of our game is a breath of fresh air (in either language) and long may he remain out with the clutches of the Scottish Football Media Mafia. But Lee Miller was superb! Okay, clearly a Falkirk fan but called the game correctly when Cove got one back (to 2-1) and rightly predicted the feelings of Mr. McGlynn going into half time. And Jamie Sweeney came over well at half time too. Great to see. Edited April 7 by HonestAl 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPM Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Rocco said: Absolutely. Watched the game back last night and was good to see Lee Miller. Started thinking about his and McCracken’s time in charge and you forget how much Holt actually ruined them. Forced them to change to his favoured formation and his spell as interim manager was dreadful. Then you add on all the dreadful signings he made, the poor appointment of Rennie and then his comments at the Q&A and you realise just how dreadful he was for the club. Im not saying Miller and McCracken would have succeeded if Holt wasn’t there as the cracks had started to show before Holt was appointed but there is no denying things got considerably worse after his appointment. Holt was a lot of things but not sure you could pin Rennie on him TBF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 hours ago, spratte said: I thought Agyeman was terrific when he came on and can’t understand why he hasn’t had more game time this season tbh He tends to be better as an impact sub to be honest whilst Ross for instance is far better when starting games. I don't think you can really say he deserves more gane time when we've won 26 games and drawn 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Bairn Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 The whole academy closure then Hartley and whoever is agent/scout was that signed that amount of total dross was the biggest dunt to us imo. The amount of money it cost to get rid of and then revamp that squad again would've been frightening. Gary holt then done the exact same thing on a smaller scale (due to no money being left). Hartleys recruitment at his last 3 clubs haven't worked. Even at cove this year he's signed a dozen odd players who have either been let go or shipped out on loan. once he gets let go by Cove, I doubt he'll manage again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Senor Bairn said: The whole academy closure then Hartley and whoever is agent/scout was that signed that amount of total dross was the biggest dunt to us imo. The amount of money it cost to get rid of and then revamp that squad again would've been frightening. Gary holt then done the exact same thing on a smaller scale (due to no money being left). Hartleys recruitment at his last 3 clubs haven't worked. Even at cove this year he's signed a dozen odd players who have either been let go or shipped out on loan. once he gets let go by Cove, I doubt he'll manage again. The super scout appointment was ludicrous. Lang telling us he was recommended by Ross county one of the sides we were in opposition to that season. Did it never occur to anyone that they are hardly going to give us an advantage by recommending someone that would improve our situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrispPancake Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Ross has been brilliant this season, he's a young lad who has improved massively this season and should only get better. What's not to like about him. Sign him up if we can, he'll be great in the Championship. (ps, nae relation) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPM Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 20 minutes ago, Senor Bairn said: The whole academy closure then Hartley and whoever is agent/scout was that signed that amount of total dross was the biggest dunt to us imo. The amount of money it cost to get rid of and then revamp that squad again would've been frightening. Gary holt then done the exact same thing on a smaller scale (due to no money being left). Hartleys recruitment at his last 3 clubs haven't worked. Even at cove this year he's signed a dozen odd players who have either been let go or shipped out on loan. once he gets let go by Cove, I doubt he'll manage again. Hartley had nothing to do with the Academy Closure. It was all upstairs. Gary Holt had a huge budget (we started that season with 750k in the bank, Rawlins cash and Will Vaulks sell on) and it was wasted on a grand scale. 2/3 year contracts to players and a managerial appointment that was probably the worst ever (and it was a a high bar). Not only was Sheerin a shocking appointment it cost us a fortune to get shot of him and Granger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Bairn Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, BPM said: Hartley had nothing to do with the Academy Closure. It was all upstairs. Gary Holt had a huge budget (we started that season with 750k in the bank, Rawlins cash and Will Vaulks sell on) and it was wasted on a grand scale. 2/3 year contracts to players and a managerial appointment that was probably the worst ever (and it was a a high bar). Not only was Sheerin a shocking appointment it cost us a fortune to get shot of him and Granger. Aye I meant the academy closure and Hartley as two separate things. I do agree, Holt probably did more damage, if we didn't get McGlynn in then we'd probably be part time right now. Not shocked to see Holt hasnt been touched by anyone else after his antics here. An arrogant arrogant man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 43 minutes ago, BPM said: Holt was a lot of things but not sure you could pin Rennie on him TBF. I meant Sheerin. That’s what you get for posting not long after waking up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Bairn Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I completely forgot Sheerin existed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18BAIRN76 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I dislike Holt more than Hartley. There, I said it! Hartley was at least just a straight up arsehole (not excusing that btw) while Holt tried to cover his arrogance and incompetence with da patter, smirking and deflection. Also agree that he probably did more long-term damage than Hartley - I know it's a very small example, but Brad McKay still being a contracted Falkirk player is indicative of that. (Both are wanks) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18BAIRN76 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, Senor Bairn said: I completely forgot Sheerin existed. Probably for the best tbh. We were 5th in League One when he said this btw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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