10menwent2mow Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 @Dons_1988 pointed out in the mathematical milestones thread that 9th is Aberdeens natural position when not qualifying for Europe. This prompted me to look into whether we'd finished in every position from 2nd-11th since the 12 team league was introduced. The answer was surprisingly no, we have never finished 5th. 2nd x 4 3rd x 3 4th x 7 5th x 0 6th x 1 7th x 1 8th x 2 9th x 3 10th x 1 11th x 1 So in the 23 seasons since the 12 team league was introduced the Dons have finished in 9 of the 12 available positions. I'm thinking Hearts might have the full bifter of 2-12 and I reckon there's a fair chance that Hibs, Killie and Dundee Utd might have 3-12. How have fellow P and B'ers clubs fared in the top flight since the 12 team league was introduced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) I think Saints will have done 3-12. Edit - aye. 2nd x 0 3rd x 1 4th x 3 5th x 1 6th x 3 7th x 1 8th x 3 9th x 1 10th x 1 11th x 1 12th x 1 Edited May 6 by PSJ.84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyX Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) If you let us go back just 1 season further, Motherwell have the full 2-12 Edited May 6 by AndyX 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said: @Dons_1988'm thinking Hearts might have the full bifter of 2-12 Hearts have only finished bottom 6 four times. We love to be 3rd or 5th with an occasional frisson with 12th. 2nd x 1 3rd x 7 4th x 2 5th x 5 6th x 3 7th x 0 8th x 1 9th x 0 10th x 1 11th x 0 12th x 2 Edited May 6 by DC92 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, DC92 said: Hearts have only finished bottom 6 four times. 2nd x 1 3rd x 7 4th x 2 5th x 5 6th x 3 7th x 0 8th x 1 9th x 0 10th x 1 11th x 0 12th x 2 looks like 5th is hearts natural place in things. Makes sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby82 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 United: 2nd x 0 3rd x 1 4th x 4 5th x 4 6th x 1 7th x 0 8th x 1 9th x 4 10th x 0 11th x 2 12th x 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) We have apparently never finished 4th. Almost an even split between top and bottom 6 too. 11 Top 6 finishes, 12 Bottom 6 (13 including this season of course). 2nd - x2 3rd - x3 4th - 0 5th - x3 6th - x3 7th - x3 8th - x4 9th - x1 10th - x1 11th - x2 12th - x1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/2931808.stm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons Edited May 6 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2nd - 0 3rd - 1 4th - 0 5th - 1 6th - 1 7th - 1 8th - 1 9th - 3 10th - 1 11th - 0 12th - 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: I reckon there's a fair chance that Hibs, Killie and Dundee Utd might have 3-12. We've never finished bottom of either half of the split in the current 12 team set-up, and our most common position has been second-bottom of both halves. 1st - 0 2nd - 0 3rd - 1 4th - 2 5th - 4 6th - 0 7th - 3 8th - 3 9th - 2 10th - 3 11th - 4 12th - 0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 11 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: @Dons_1988 pointed out in the mathematical milestones thread that 9th is Aberdeens natural position when not qualifying for Europe. This prompted me to look into whether we'd finished in every position from 2nd-11th since the 12 team league was introduced. The answer was surprisingly no, we have never finished 5th. 2nd x 4 3rd x 3 4th x 7 5th x 0 6th x 1 7th x 1 8th x 2 9th x 3 10th x 1 11th x 1 So in the 23 seasons since the 12 team league was introduced the Dons have finished in 9 of the 12 available positions. I'm thinking Hearts might have the full bifter of 2-12 and I reckon there's a fair chance that Hibs, Killie and Dundee Utd might have 3-12. How have fellow P and B'ers clubs fared in the top flight since the 12 team league was introduced. We’ve never done 11th when we screw things up we screw them up properly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: We’ve never done 11th when we screw things up we screw them up properly Gary Locke's Galacticos would have finished 11th in 2013-14 if not for the points deduction. We woz robbed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) List of Saint Mirren seasons emphasizing how pleasing it would be to remove one of those zeros! 1st - 0 2nd - 0 3rd - 0 4th - 0 5th - 1 6th - 1 7th - 1 8th - 2 9th - 2 10th - 2 11th - 5 12th - 2 Pleasing! Edited May 16 by btb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 22 hours ago, capt_oats said: We have apparently never finished 4th. Almost an even split between top and bottom 6 too. 11 Top 6 finishes, 12 Bottom 6 (13 including this season of course). 2nd - x2 3rd - x3 4th - 0 5th - x3 6th - x3 7th - x3 8th - x4 9th - x1 10th - x1 11th - x2 12th - x1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/2931808.stm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons Apart from the gloriously mid-table nature of that list - it's striking how few times we've finished in the bottom 4 over that long period of time (it feels like it's happened way more than that). If we end up 9th this season, I'm restarting the Kettlewell Out campaign. I'm convinced we finished 4th under Billy Davies when John Boyle was spending all the money - assume that was pre-split. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Swello said: Apart from the gloriously mid-table nature of that list - it's striking how few times we've finished in the bottom 4 over that long period of time (it feels like it's happened way more than that). If we end up 9th this season, I'm restarting the Kettlewell Out campaign. I'm convinced we finished 4th under Billy Davies when John Boyle was spending all the money - assume that was pre-split. We did aye. 1999/00 under Davies - the season before the split was brought in. However, that's the only instance in our entire top flight run since 85/86. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 23 hours ago, capt_oats said: We have apparently never finished 4th. Almost an even split between top and bottom 6 too. 11 Top 6 finishes, 12 Bottom 6 (13 including this season of course). 2nd - x2 3rd - x3 4th - 0 5th - x3 6th - x3 7th - x3 8th - x4 9th - x1 10th - x1 11th - x2 12th - x1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/2931808.stm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons 38 minutes ago, Swello said: Apart from the gloriously mid-table nature of that list - it's striking how few times we've finished in the bottom 4 over that long period of time (it feels like it's happened way more than that). If we end up 9th this season, I'm restarting the Kettlewell Out campaign. Weirdly we're hardly ever in the same half as Aberdeen and Hibs for the split. Before last week we hadn't played Aberdeen post-split since 2016 when we finished 5th and they were 2nd. As far as I can see the last time we played Hibs in one was the 6-6 game which feels absolutely mental. (We'd potentially have played both in 2020 if not for lockdown) A byproduct of this is that we've been pretty lucky at timing our "good" seasons while at least one of them (or Hearts, or Rangers) are in meltdown. Basically we've never really been in a top six where the other 5 are all much bigger and better than us, meaning there's a pretty gettable European spot. At the same time, we quite often go into the bottom six as favourites for 7th. Basically a long winded way of saying that we've ended up with a few more 2nds,3rds,5ths,7ths and 8ths and a few less 6ths,9ths, and 10ths than you'd probably expect. Edited May 7 by YassinMoutaouakil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Given our history you can see why Dee fans are delighted to make top 6 this year. 1st - 0 2nd - 0 3rd - 0 4th - 0 5th - 0 6th - 3 7th - 1 8th - 1 9th - 2 10th - 1 11th - 0 12th - 4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 06/05/2024 at 11:23, 10menwent2mow said: @Dons_1988 pointed out in the mathematical milestones thread that 9th is Aberdeens natural position when not qualifying for Europe. This prompted me to look into whether we'd finished in every position from 2nd-11th since the 12 team league was introduced. The answer was surprisingly no, we have never finished 5th. 2nd x 4 3rd x 3 4th x 7 5th x 0 6th x 1 7th x 1 8th x 2 9th x 3 10th x 1 11th x 1 So in the 23 seasons since the 12 team league was introduced the Dons have finished in 9 of the 12 available positions. I'm thinking Hearts might have the full bifter of 2-12 and I reckon there's a fair chance that Hibs, Killie and Dundee Utd might have 3-12. How have fellow P and B'ers clubs fared in the top flight since the 12 team league was introduced. We had a brilliant opportunity to try to get fifth this year but the Warnock experiment killed all hopes. Maybe next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 16 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Given our history you can see why Dee fans are delighted to make top 6 this year. 1st - 0 2nd - 0 3rd - 0 4th - 0 5th - 0 6th - 3 7th - 1 8th - 1 9th - 2 10th - 1 11th - 0 12th - 4 Looking likely you'll finish 6th again. Seems a very Dundee thing to do to make the top 6 on 4 occasions and never threaten Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 06/05/2024 at 11:45, DC92 said: Hearts have only finished bottom 6 four times. We love to be 3rd or 5th with an occasional frisson with 12th. 2nd x 1 3rd x 7 4th x 2 5th x 5 6th x 3 7th x 0 8th x 1 9th x 0 10th x 1 11th x 0 12th x 2 As likely to finish bottom as to finish fourth - it's a crazy ride being a Hearts' fan at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 06/05/2024 at 11:52, Dons_1988 said: looks like 5th is hearts natural place in things. Makes sense. That would 100% be funnier if we hadn't been 3rd most often (which I have to admit surprised me) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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