immcinto Posted Tuesday at 10:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:11 12 hours ago, Chripper said: Unless Steve Clarke walks out of his contract, we should mothball this thread and bump it in July 2026. I can't see Clarke leaving, nor can I see the SFA sacking him. Let's face it, the only (alleged) Scotland fans who can conceivably want Steve Clarke gone are the ones who want to return to the two decades of unsuccessful qualifications, so they have justification for being miserably gits. I have no time for the aforementioned people. Indeed. And the SFA should pay Clarke a 50% bonus for the 1pt we managed to acheive in the group stages. We could organize a whip round amongst the thankful fans to show our gratitude if the SFA are not generous enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted Tuesday at 10:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:13 4 hours ago, Willie adie said: Vogts was hamstrung by following on from Brown, who had been too loyal to certain players and probably should have started reconstruction of the national team before he stepped down. Vogts just went crazy capping anyone he probably went too far down the opposite route Aye agree with this, the team needed revamping and we didn't exactly have a set of great players around that time to choose from. It was always gonna be a tough gig for anyone. Looking back at his compretive games, he did better than I remember, draw against Germany, beat the Dutch. Some shockers there also, drawing with Faroes, losing to Moldova etc. The friendlies record was shocking though, perhaps due to the crazy capping policy going on at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazu Posted Tuesday at 10:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:30 On 01/07/2024 at 06:52, Boo Khaki said: This is more a damning indictment of how stupid the money in the English game is than it is an endorsement of Armstrong's abilities. How many of the other "wee" nations that trotted out at this Euros would Armstrong get regular game time for? Bear in mind we finished as the worst ranked team of the lot and he barely got on the field for us. I don't think domestic earnings can really be used as an outright indicator of ability because there is a fair bit more to it than simple better player = higher wages. Armstrong counts as a UK player for English teams, he speaks English, and is evidently a comfortable fit for an English club. I doubt you'd find many Bundesliga, Serie A, or Liga teams looking to poach him and pay him 50k a week though. The Slovenia team that took Portugal to penalties was full of Serie B players, which is a much weaker league than the English Championship, Armstrong would be a standout there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted Tuesday at 11:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:27 56 minutes ago, Zazu said: The Slovenia team that took Portugal to penalties was full of Serie B players, which is a much weaker league than the English Championship, Armstrong would be a standout there. They played with two up front as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Diamond For Me Posted Tuesday at 11:47 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:47 1 hour ago, Butters Scotch said: Aye agree with this, the team needed revamping and we didn't exactly have a set of great players around that time to choose from. It was always gonna be a tough gig for anyone. Looking back at his compretive games, he did better than I remember, draw against Germany, beat the Dutch. Some shockers there also, drawing with Faroes, losing to Moldova etc. The friendlies record was shocking though, perhaps due to the crazy capping policy going on at the time. Sir or Madam, you traduce a proud legacy. It was a draw against Moldova. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekok Posted Tuesday at 12:16 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:16 The Slovenia game should be mandatory viewing for SC. The shape ( 4:4:2) the tactics ( close down everything, clear your lines then support front 2 when on ). Be brave when you get the ball, go forward as much as possible, not fanny about until the other team regain possession. Press and tackle as if your life depended on it. Appreciate their front two would walk into our team, surely we can muster something, anything that would at least ask questions of opposition defenders. Cigars out big time in first and last games and for long spells v Swiss. Their fans never stopped cheering them on, unlike the mogadon malaise we suffered in last game. Also the population of Slovenia is just over 2 million , so another excuse busted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted Tuesday at 12:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:32 Never believed that Clarke would be sacked, and thought it pretty unlikely that he'd walk. I guess the latter still seems possible, but definitely unlikely, and the SFA coming out and saying he can stay has a depressing familiarity to it. At this stage, if we're really intent on him sticking around for the time-being, I think the Nations League should be treated as the chance for Clarke to show he has what it takes to change. These are the sort of teams that he's talked about in the past that he wants to test against, and I think the draw is largely as good as it could be. Portugal should top the group, but there's a chance we could take something from them. Poland and Croatia are on their own dips, and the matches could go either way. If Clarke goes out and ends up more flexible and shows he's learned something from two tournaments now, then he probably deserves a shot at qualifying for the World Cup. If we stick to the same system and get pumped, then he should go. But I know that SFA are probably just wanting to let him see out his contract so they don't need to pay out for the sacking, so I suspect, as others have said, this gets parked until either the autumn of 2025 (when we fail to finish 2nd in our qualifying group), the spring of 2026 (when we fail to get through the playoffs) or the summer of 2026 (when we either go out of the World Cup in embarrassing fashion again, or, maybe, actually do some good and he leaves of his own accord) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted Tuesday at 13:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:25 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zazu said: The Slovenia team that took Portugal to penalties was full of Serie B players Hmm, nah. There was one Serie B player in the team against Portugal and another in the squad. So you can add the remainder of your 'full of' total (3) to playing in Serie A. Edited Tuesday at 14:34 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted Tuesday at 13:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:51 That NL is the perfect opportunity to bounce back. It could easily have been a group at the Euros. Good performances there and maybe there's reason to think we can go on and actually compete at this kind of level. If we stink out that group as badly as we stunk out the Euros, it's a decent sign we've hit our limit under Clarke. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted Tuesday at 14:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:23 2 hours ago, ekok said: The Slovenia game should be mandatory viewing for SC. The shape ( 4:4:2) the tactics ( close down everything, clear your lines then support front 2 when on ). Be brave when you get the ball, go forward as much as possible, not fanny about until the other team regain possession. Press and tackle as if your life depended on it. Appreciate their front two would walk into our team, surely we can muster something, anything that would at least ask questions of opposition defenders. Cigars out big time in first and last games and for long spells v Swiss. Their fans never stopped cheering them on, unlike the mogadon malaise we suffered in last game. Also the population of Slovenia is just over 2 million , so another excuse busted. Who are our wingers and strike partnership in a 442? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted Tuesday at 14:49 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:49 2 hours ago, ekok said: The Slovenia game should be mandatory viewing for SC. The shape ( 4:4:2) the tactics ( close down everything, clear your lines then support front 2 when on ). Be brave when you get the ball, go forward as much as possible, not fanny about until the other team regain possession. Press and tackle as if your life depended on it. Appreciate their front two would walk into our team, surely we can muster something, anything that would at least ask questions of opposition defenders. Cigars out big time in first and last games and for long spells v Swiss. Their fans never stopped cheering them on, unlike the mogadon malaise we suffered in last game. Also the population of Slovenia is just over 2 million , so another excuse busted. Pretty sure he played 4-4-2 as Killie manager when they played the OF, worked well for him then. I might be wrong here but think he also played 4-4-2 when we played Belgium back in 2019? With the same idea as how he stifled the OF with Killie. We lost that game 4-0 so maybe he decided it wouldn't work internationally; though you'd hope that's not the case seeing as our defence that day was Robertson, Cooper, Mulgrew, and O'Donnell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted Tuesday at 14:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:54 3 hours ago, A Diamond For Me said: Sir or Madam, you traduce a proud legacy. It was a draw against Moldova. Apologies, your are correct. I think meant to say Lithuania! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted Tuesday at 15:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:04 33 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Who are our wingers and strike partnership in a 442? Aye we don't seem to have the quality there to play 4-4-2 to be honest. He's bombed out Fraser so Doak, Morgan, Forrest, Armstrong, Christie are your current options. Other than Doak, a lot of them are not particularly pacey players then you would have to omit one of our central midfielders where we have the most quality in. Said this pre-tournament but we are absolutely crying out for a winger in this team, a ball carrier, someone that is not frightened to dribble at the opposition and create a bit of a magic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted Tuesday at 20:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:31 (edited) 8 hours ago, LiviLion said: Pretty sure he played 4-4-2 as Killie manager. Was just thinking that - OF and the rest too. In fact, when he took the Scotland job, I'm pretty sure there was a strong feeling that "he's a back 4 manager, no way he'll go to a 3 to fix the Tierney/Robertson problem". Yet he adopted and embraced that change, so it's unfair to say he's completely inflexible. Perhaps criticism of his reluctance to change from the current system (and it's variations) is fair tho. Edited Tuesday at 23:08 by Gordopolis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted Wednesday at 11:56 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:56 Roll the dice and appoint Sam Allardyce 200% increase in consumption of rolls and slice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted Wednesday at 15:06 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:06 Maradona, van Basten, Giggs, Matthaus, Deschamps all managed their national team. We should go down the route of appointing one our famous sons as Scotland manager. What's Kevin Gallacher up to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted Wednesday at 16:07 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:07 1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Maradona, van Basten, Giggs, Matthaus, Deschamps all managed their national team. We should go down the route of appointing one our famous sons as Scotland manager. What's Kevin Gallacher up to? Kenny Miller it is then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted Wednesday at 19:24 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:24 On 01/07/2024 at 19:38, nate said: What credentials should the New Saviour have? 1) Someone with experience of international tournaments and CL 2) Someone with a track record of doing reasonably well with limited playing talent 3) A deep tactical thinker (and someone who can string a coherent sentence together) 4) Someone with a connection to Scotland, even a tenuous one 5) Someone who doesn’t talk shite after losing a match 6) Someone doing ok with his present club, but a club known for firing tons of managers, freeing him up should Safety Steve jack it in after the NL qualies. Who might that be, then? The tease was Ange P. 7/7. Derision welcome, but only if you have a better feasible candidate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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