SandyCromarty Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 The "new" face of Labour has more than likely been determined, obviously the far left failed as it was viewed as a past ideology of a 60's/70's Labour party. As Blair's Labour was the last acceptable face of the party to the general public I can see them adopting similar policies to win another election, however this will again create animosity and be viewed as a sell out by the left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I am not sure it is all about policy. I can remember when Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party. Even if you did not know what his policies were, he did come across as a credible leader and it was not surprising when they won in 1997. You could argue that it went downhill once he was elected but that is a different matter. As well as Blair, there were several Labour MPs around him that gave the impression they knew what the job entailed. Again whether they did a good job or not was another matter. By contrast Jeremy Corbyn never played the role of Prime Minister in waiting. He was never expected to win the election except by some fluke. I was always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but time and again his performance was underwhelming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I am not sure it is all about policy. I can remember when Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party. Even if you did not know what his policies were, he did come across as a credible leader and it was not surprising when they won in 1997. You could argue that it went downhill once he was elected but that is a different matter. As well as Blair, there were several Labour MPs around him that gave the impression they knew what the job entailed. Again whether they did a good job or not was another matter. By contrast Jeremy Corbyn never played the role of Prime Minister in waiting. He was never expected to win the election except by some fluke. I was always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but time and again his performance was underwhelming.I agree with this. Labour once got my vote and I'm embarrassed to say it was in1997. I got carried away by the Blair tide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Fullerene said: Except that people are already fed up of the Tories. They saw the last government as one of the worst ever. Plus Boris Johnson is widely regarded as a liar, a buffoon and a clown. Yet he was seen as more credible than Corbyn. Labour should have strolled into power at this election but instead they suffered their worst defeat. Mmmhmm...... and why do you think people hated Corbyn so much? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I wonder how long it will take before people can get over Corbyn? He was a shit leader and his position on Brexit, the key issue of the last three years, was indefensible. But he’ll soon be away. The new leader needs to be far stronger when dealing with the PLP, anyone not willing to fall into line should have the whip withdrawn. Corbyn would never have done that (let’s face it he couldn’t have given his past record) but had he done so he would not have had to fight the last election on two fronts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I see Tom Watson is bumping his gums to the MSM looking for sympathy. Nobody cares you no mark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 There they go again....Mary Creagh writing in today's press claims that Labour's 'weak commitment to the union' cost them dearly in Scotland. Hmmm.Someone should point out to Mary that Labour's pitiful commitment to Scotland over decades, reaching its nadir in 2014, has seen them reduced to one Britnat poodle MP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 She's sort of right but in that 'English politician discovers the dynamic of a decade ago' sort of way. There's certainly no votes to be had now in trying to be more unionist than the Tories, now that they've firmly planted their fleg. People who are unpersuadable unionists know who their team is now and won't vote for a party they see as being less committed. What Creagh says also plays nicely into the HQ and branch office narrative, given some high profile Scottish Labour folk have begun to publicly waver/equivocate (delete according to cynicism) on independence.But not everyone is “unpersuadeable”. The middle ground between British and Scottish nationalism is up for grabs and a party offering serious further devolution would at least be listened to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Clive Lewis might not have sufficient support in the PLP to get on the ballot paper, that would be a shame. The number of potential candidates means it will be more difficult to secure the 21 endorsements needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 27/12/2019 at 12:44, BawWatchin said: Mmmhmm...... and why do you think people hated Corbyn so much? I guess he was perceived as hating them. Not too keen on the national anthem, the flag, the monarchy, the military. Britain should apologise for its role in history. America and Israel too. Everybody else is not so bad. That sort of thing. Of course he has a point on some of it but he alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have voted Labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 29/12/2019 at 09:57, O'Kelly Isley III said: There they go again....Mary Creagh writing in today's press claims that Labour's 'weak commitment to the union' cost them dearly in Scotland. Hmmm. Someone should point out to Mary that Labour's pitiful commitment to Scotland over decades, reaching its nadir in 2014, has seen them reduced to one Britnat poodle MP. She was the Labour leader in Islington when the Lib Dems got in, 2 terms in a row. Blair and Creagh made Labour unelectable in Islington. Had Corbyn towed the line, he'd have probably lost his seat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Fullerene said: I guess he was perceived as hating them. Not too keen on the national anthem, the flag, the monarchy, the military. Britain should apologise for its role in history. America and Israel too. Everybody else is not so bad. That sort of thing. Of course he has a point on some of it but he alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have voted Labour. In other words, he called them c***s and he was right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 What is the point in Labour? Nothing. They are an undemocratic, vile, anti-semitic party for the upper class morons like Jezza C. Disgusting. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Sir Tarmo Kink said: What is the point in Labour? Nothing. They are an undemocratic, vile, anti-semitic party for the upper class morons like Jezza C. Disgusting. Indeed..... The BBC calls it a "count error". Edited January 1, 2020 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Indeed.....The BBC calls it a "count error". What would you call it? The other parties got more votes than number of voters too, hardly something that would go unnoticed if it was deliberate. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17718264.highworth-election-error-the-story-so-far/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 30/12/2019 at 12:00, Fullerene said: I guess he was perceived as hating them. Not too keen on the national anthem, the flag, the monarchy, the military. Britain should apologise for its role in history. America and Israel too. Everybody else is not so bad. That sort of thing. Of course he has a point on some of it but he alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have voted Labour. Basically he was ineffective in all political areas and better suited to protests which has been his forte over the years. That was obvious from Day1 when he became Labour Leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Starmer beats Long-Bailey 61% to 39% in the final round of voting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 It's a YouGov poll of Labour members. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/01/poll-of-labour-members-suggests-keir-starmer-is-first-choice#maincontent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: It's a YouGov poll of Labour members. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/01/poll-of-labour-members-suggests-keir-starmer-is-first-choice#maincontent I’m astounded by that and maybe a little sceptical. Starmer would be the guy most likely to win a GE and whose government would be Tory Lite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: I’m astounded by that and maybe a little sceptical. Starmer would be the guy most likely to win a GE and whose government would be Tory Lite. A new Blair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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