BFTD Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 On 28/06/2023 at 12:33, Granny Danger said: Isn’t Nandy supposed to be one of the more ‘left wing’ members of the shadow cabinet? Just waiting for reintroduction of the Poor Laws and establishment of Workhouses. We've been slowly inching towards that future for a long time. The 'success' of Brexit Britain is dependant on using an underclass of desperate labour compelled to work for their basic needs. See the film Sorry to Bother You for a tongue-in-cheek vision of how I've been expecting the new workhouses to operate since David Cameron was prevented from having people forced to staff Poundland in exchange for benefit money, and basic rent costs skyrocketed. Plus, it's a really good film anyway. On 01/07/2023 at 09:54, StellarHibee said: Labour apparently ruling out any possibility of water re-nationalization south of the border if they win the next election. Got to hand it to Starmer. He know's his ideology and hasn't held back. Maybe the idea will be to force the b*****ds to actually spend the necessary money to repair and upgrade the water network that they inherited, as they should have been for all these years, without offsetting the cost to the public. Then get everything back for free when they all declare bankruptcy in a blind panic. Nah, it'll be a commitment to prevent water companies charging too much for emergency supplies from tankers. For a few years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I can name a dozen things Starmer is against, and almost nothing he is in favour of. Policy is a bit thin on the ground. What is weird, from the outside, is watching a Labour leader stick a middle finger up to every policy endorsed by the Labour membership. The same membership he gulled into voting for him on the basis of those pledges that he then abandoned. I don't think it will be quite the vote winner he thinks it will be. I hate tories. Thoroughly sick of them. But pseudo-suckup-tories somehow manage to be even worse. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Sir Peter Butterworth apparently won't say whether he agrees with expanding London's low emissions zone. He's making a principled stand against annoying either the environmental lobby or the motoring lobby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Foulkes on the lash again. He's no more Labour than Starmer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Foulkes. What a prize twallie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Cause an independence party is spending money on independence and they're doing it deliberately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 A completely pointless party led by the biggest Tory in the country. It baffles my why anyone in Scotland votes for these losers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Shame that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, RuMoore said: Shame that. Wow.. even beaten considerably by the Tories 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Wow.. even beaten considerably by the Tories Looks like the Green party prevented SNP getting 2nd. What a genius idea it was getting into bed with them Edited July 7, 2023 by RuMoore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Wow.. even beaten considerably by the Tories Must have been a long time since the SNP have come 3rd in a council election in Scotland that hasn't had independents winning or 2nd. Looks like tough time ahead for the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, betting competition said: Must have been a long time since the SNP have come 3rd in a council election in Scotland that hasn't had independents winning or 2nd. Looks like tough time ahead for the SNP. Although noticeable that the independent who got about 18% of the vote last time didn't stand this time. I don't take much stock from council elections but it does seem worth investigating what the thoughts were locally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: A completely pointless party led by the biggest Tory in the country. It baffles my why anyone in Scotland votes for these losers. I wonder why too. Watching Starmer shit on everything that Labour used to represent, in addition to embracing Brexit and British Nationalism is a most repellent combination. They don't have policies for Scotland; they don't have a coherent environmental policy either. Its just empty gestures and tweaking round the edges with no significant change. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 hours ago, TheScarf said: A completely pointless party led by the biggest Tory in the country. It baffles my why anyone in Scotland votes for these losers. Very much this, as the Conservative party moves ever rightwards towards US Libertarian policies Starmer's iteration of the Labour Party seems closer to the Conservative "Wets" than old or even New Labour. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 A Starmer promise: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, btb said: Very much this, as the Conservative party moves ever rightwards towards US Libertarian policies Starmer's iteration of the Labour Party seems closer to the Conservative "Wets" than old or even New Labour. Very definitely to the right of New Labour. Probably to the right of David Cameron's opposition, if not quite his government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, TheScarf said: A completely pointless party led by the biggest Tory in the country. It baffles my why anyone in Scotland votes for these losers. Some folk have short memories. Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics. Some folk simply go with the perceived flow. All in all it’s pretty depressing. More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t. All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader. Not a great state of affairs. Edited July 7, 2023 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, orfc said: you might as well give Labour a whirl who don't appear to be pulling themselves apart currently at least Starmer has been pulling Labour apart for over 3 years. The media has just been very hush hush regarding his purges of the left. I'm sure the apartheid sympathiser will make a real positive difference to the UK when he worms his way into position... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Not sure why Labour escapes the charges of incompetence; their collaboration with the Conservative on triggering Article 50 and approving the TCA don't exactly show them in their best light now. Their token opposition to egregious corruption and waste in Westminster is not something to boast about. I don't regard the SNP as incompetent, they have always seemed to be able to deliver on their policies and promises to the greatest extent and i can name a dozen policies of the top of my head that improved life for citizens of Scotland. Quote Vote Lib Dem Hah, funny. The party of negotiable affection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Some folk have short memories. Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics. Some folk simply go with the perceived flow. All in all it’s pretty depressing. More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t. All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader. Not a great state of affairs. No they weren't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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