DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Richard Leonard. Who?[emoji48] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: Firstly I don't think the north of England is any more racist than anywhere else. Secondly Labour dominated in the North of England in 2017. Well Brexit voters are overwhelmingly racist and that's who Labour are desperately trying to appeal to. I mean, people in Sunderland didn't vote to destroy their own town because of anti EU socialist ideals, they did it because they are racist thickos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, GAD said: Well Brexit voters are overwhelmingly racist and that's who Labour are desperately trying to appeal to. I mean, people in Sunderland didn't vote to destroy their own town because of anti EU socialist ideals, they did it because they are racist thickos. I disagree and I think that labelling millions of people you have never met as racist thickos because of where they live might just be a teensy bit racist itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 He asked for flexibility to lead a GE campaign where he can reach out to Leavers and Remainers and the freedom to lead negotiations so we can have a fair referendum. The membership clearly support that. Looks like he's still sitting on the fence getting splinters in his arse. He'll piss off the gammons because he isn't backing Brexit. He'll not attract Remain voters because he isn't pushing a positive case for Remain. It's the try not to offend anyone policy that actually manages to annoy a lot of the very voters he needs to get elected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: I disagree and I think that labelling millions of people you have never met as racist thickos because of where they live might just be a teensy bit racist itself. Oh, I wasn't branding them racist thickos because of where they lived, I was branding them racist thickos because they voted to make themselves, their family and the rest of us considerably worse off because they don't like immigrants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I disagree and I think that labelling millions of people you have never met as racist thickos because of where they live might just be a teensy bit racist itself.Racist? Please elaborate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Though to be fair they did vote to make a bunch of Tories millionaires to stick it to the elites, so I suppose there is that.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Oh, I wasn't branding them racist thickos because of where they lived, I was branding them racist thickos because they voted to make themselves, their family and the rest of us considerably worse off because they don't like immigrants.The opinion you're expressing is a simplistic generalisation of the brexit debate. A lot of these northern areas have been entirely left behind by the globalised policies followed by successive governments for the past forty years. They recognise that they've been shafted by the system and saw an opportunity to send a giant f**k you to the establishment (and yes part of the problem for many industries has been wage stagnation, partly caused by Eastern European immigration - which was much more prominent than the then labour government anticipated). Of course there are some outright racist fucks thrown in but you can't tar all northern brexit voters with the same brush. The Labour party has many different opinions in it and has tried to accommodate as many as possible. It's awkward and clumsy but anything else would've been reckless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Cheering and high-fiving each cause they've won a battle to keep doing nothing about Brexit. Labour proclaiming these grand plans for a 4 day working week and saving the NHS and they can't make a decision on the greatest problem facing Britain since WW2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: He asked for flexibility to lead a GE campaign where he can reach out to Leavers and Remainers and the freedom to lead negotiations so we can have a fair referendum. The membership clearly support that. Watching C4 news on catchup and they're massively spinning it into a close vote, with edited shots of the hand count. Corbyn got a massive majority when I saw it live. For a change the BBC aren't the bad boys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Watching C4 news on catchup and they're massively spinning it into a close vote, with edited shots of the hand count. Corbyn got a massive majority when I saw it live. For a change the BBC aren't the bad boys. A massive Majority? You cannot be fucking serious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: A massive Majority? You cannot be fucking serious. I'd have said at least 3 to 1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: I'd have said at least 3 to 1. Looked to me much more like 50 : 50. At the very least an issue of this importance should surely have been decided by a card vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yes but they counted the chorus of " oh jeremy corbyn" as votes aswell Looked to me much more like 50 : 50. At the very least an issue of this importance should surely have been decided by a card vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Is there any evidence to suggest that the majority of Labour voters in any part of the country voted Leave? If not it’s a fucking bizarre electoral strategy to base a policy on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Your post certainly is fucking stupid. Idiot.Good comeback, but I never enter a battle of wits unless my opponent is armed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Is there any evidence to suggest that the majority of Labour voters in any part of the country voted Leave? If not it’s a fucking bizarre electoral strategy to base a policy on. Yes it's good strategy to abandon 30% of your voters. Also it's obvious that the leave proportion is greater in target seats than safe city seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It looks shambolic but it's real democracy right there. f**k the tony blair model of every c**t cheering bland speeches with no dissent. Correct, if you want to see everyone cheering bland speeches with no dissent watch the SNP party conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yes it's good strategy to abandon 30% of your voters. Also it's obvious that the leave proportion is greater in target seats than safe city seats. Your loyalty is admirable but every time you make reference to seats, voting outcomes, geographic trends you are referencing a vote which took place almost 3-1/2 years ago, with most current evidence suggesting a significant swing towards Remain.Labour has chosen to (once again) vacillate and ignore that, and history tells us that Mibbes Aye/Mibbes Naw parties don't appeal to voters. No matter all the melon-sized grins of McLuskey and his fellow travellers at today's bunfight, the real smiles tonight will be in every Lib Dem branch south of Manchester. And you can right off Scotland pronto. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Your loyalty is admirable but every time you make reference to seats, voting outcomes, geographic trends you are referencing a vote which took place almost 3-1/2 years ago, with most current evidence suggesting a significant swing towards Remain. Labour has chosen to (once again) vacillate and ignore that, and history tells us that Mibbes Aye/Mibbes Naw parties don't appeal to voters. No matter all the melon-sized grins of McLuskey and his fellow travellers at today's bunfight, the real smiles tonight will be in every Lib Dem branch south of Manchester. And you can right off Scotland pronto. How many more defections to the Lib Dems will there be by the end of the week? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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