SandyCromarty Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 26/10/2020 at 08:15, MixuFruit said: Welcome to the resistance Mr Kinnock. Like his father he is a professional politician having never known any career outside politics. His father and mother made over £10 million in wages, perks, allowances and pensions from the European Commission and no doubt Stephen Kinnock will go on to make a lot more for just talking shite and never having knowN a real job or what it is to really work for a living. Total hypocrisy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Tories gettind a hard time over trying to starve bairns Labour "Break out some israel stuff" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkee Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Jeremy Corbyn suspended from the Labour Party Just when you thought they couldn't sink any lower... step up Sir Kier Starmer's Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The saddest thing about this is that there are a substantial number of people who voted for Corbyn twice who were fooled by these pledges. Politically active people with good intentions yet they are easily conned by some vague platitudes from a pig with nice hair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Sir Keith correctly assuming that the English left will do absolutely f**k all about this. sTAy aNd fiGHt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Sir Keith correctly assuming that the English left will do absolutely f**k all about this. sTAy aNd fiGHt Starmer wants them to leave the party which is a major clue that it is a bad idea. There is no potential for a new party to do anything from the left in the UK. Especially one which will immediately be branded anti semitic and subjected to social media censorship. The reason Starmer is being so pointlessly reactionary is because they know that the membership still leans very much to the left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Starmer wants them to leave the party which is a major clue that it is a bad idea. There is no potential for a new party to do anything from the left in the UK. Especially one which will immediately be branded anti semitic and subjected to social media censorship. The reason Starmer is being so pointlessly reactionary is because they know that the membership still leans very much to the left. What are those losers going to do within the party lol apart from pay their dues and get seen off repeatedly? Every leftist in Labour should be leaving, leave them without an activist base, and hoping they get fucking rinsed in 2024. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I don't understand this quasi-religious adulation for Jeremy Corbyn. Sure his heart is in heart is in the right place and I probably agree with him on a lot of things but he was totally ineffective. He won an election. No he didn't. He nearly won one. No again. He stopped the Tories doing whatever they wanted to. Not even close. He stopped Brexit. No. He reversed it. No again. People on here think it is all about left and right. For some people it is all about competence. He never gave the impression he would know what to do if he became prime minister (Boris Johnson gave the impression even though he is crap). Corbyn never even gave the impression he knew how to be leader of the Labour Party. He couldn't even organise himself a seat on a train. I don't think he walks on water. If the left want to take charge of the Labour Party they need someone less wishy washy. Someone who inspires confidence and doesn't resort to conspiracy theory to explain every setback. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The tragic thing about the Corbynist willingness to throw the Labour Party and then themselves against the rocks on the issue of Israel is that it’s rooted in the idea that anybody in the Israeli government would give a toss what a Labour government thought of them, never mind a Labour opposition.It’s part of a larger British post colonial delusion of significance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: I don't understand this quasi-religious adulation for Jeremy Corbyn. Sure his heart is in heart is in the right place and I probably agree with him on a lot of things but he was totally ineffective. He won an election. No he didn't. He nearly won one. No again. He stopped the Tories doing whatever they wanted to. Not even close. He stopped Brexit. No. He reversed it. No again. People on here think it is all about left and right. For some people it is all about competence. He never gave the impression he would know what to do if he became prime minister (Boris Johnson gave the impression even though he is crap). Corbyn never even gave the impression he knew how to be leader of the Labour Party. He couldn't even organise himself a seat on a train. I don't think he walks on water. If the left want to take charge of the Labour Party they need someone less wishy washy. Someone who inspires confidence and doesn't resort to conspiracy theory to explain every setback. Literally nobody of any consequence has a quasi-religious adulation for Jeremy Corbyn or thinks he walks on water. He is a decent man who made a ton of costly mistakes as leader of the Labour Party. I think everyone on the left would happily let him see out his post-leader days in relative obscurity but it's clear the press and the right of the party are trying to destroy him and dismantle his entire project on entirely ideological grounds. It's basic comradeship to offer some solidarity to him in this. Edited November 2, 2020 by NotThePars 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 7 hours ago, NotThePars said: What are those losers going to do within the party lol apart from pay their dues and get seen off repeatedly? Every leftist in Labour should be leaving, leave them without an activist base, and hoping they get fucking rinsed in 2024. Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, GordonS said: Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? Leftists realise that a centre-right party usually leads to the electorate abandoning it and eventually voting in a Thatcher or Johnson type alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, GordonS said: Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? Not all leftists would agree with that, and you could say the exact same about some people from the centre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 hours ago, GordonS said: Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? Change leftists to the right wing of the Labour party and you've cracked it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, GordonS said: Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? Leftists would rather sit back and be bitter than sit up and do better Edited November 3, 2020 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 15 hours ago, NotThePars said: What are those losers going to do within the party lol apart from pay their dues and get seen off repeatedly? Every leftist in Labour should be leaving, leave them without an activist base, and hoping they get fucking rinsed in 2024. Socialism isn't about electoral cycles. Corbyn was one of those losers for 30 years then he was leader. A new party would just be a navel gazing exercise and given that the tiny amount of discipline many left wing members have currently is inspired by combatting the Labour Right a new party would be a shitshow of roasters trying to signal boost themselves and their favourite issue. Look at the idiots who brought the entirely futile Free Movement vote to the conference last summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 13 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The tragic thing about the Corbynist willingness to throw the Labour Party and then themselves against the rocks on the issue of Israel is that it’s rooted in the idea that anybody in the Israeli government would give a toss what a Labour government thought of them, never mind a Labour opposition. It’s part of a larger British post colonial delusion of significance If that was true there wouldn't be videos of Israeli intelligence agents offering Labour MPs cash to sabotage the party (or for that matter a video of them trying to bring down a Tory minister who supported Palestinian rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 hours ago, GordonS said: Leftists would rather that the poor people of Britain live (or die) under Tory rule for 20 years than that a centre-left (by UK standards) party gets elected? It's not really that simple though is it? If every person left of Tony Blair in the UK just accepted this Blairite idea that Labour can never be elected unless they straddle the centre line, you're essentially giving up on the idea that any genuinely left of centre policies will ever be implemented and the Overton window in the UK has a permanent blockade so our perpetual choice is between centre-right and centre. Of course centrists view of this is "why won't these people just accept defeat?". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Detournement said: Socialism isn't about electoral cycles. Corbyn was one of those losers for 30 years then he was leader. A new party would just be a navel gazing exercise and given that the tiny amount of discipline many left wing members have currently is inspired by combatting the Labour Right a new party would be a shitshow of roasters trying to signal boost themselves and their favourite issue. Look at the idiots who brought the entirely futile Free Movement vote to the conference last summer. How you gonna build a mass movement for this weak sauce? Any self-respecting movement would have taken to the countryside in December and dug up all the munitions. 10 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: It's not really that simple though is it? If every person left of Tony Blair in the UK just accepted this Blairite idea that Labour can never be elected unless they straddle the centre line, you're essentially giving up on the idea that any genuinely left of centre policies will ever be implemented and the Overton window in the UK has a permanent blockade so our perpetual choice is between centre-right and centre. Of course centrists view of this is "why won't these people just accept defeat?". Grown up politics is being stabbed in the back for 5 years and then lying down and making a road for your betters when they reassert control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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