welshbairn Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Oh, Kieth. Keith's got a plan though, Boris should have daily press conferences. It's so simple, the man's a genius. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, Paco said: Starmer is about to give a ‘major speech’ about devolution. Pretty much assumed he’ll be offering Devo max. At least there’s nothing else going on in the country today. Solid timing. With Gordon Brown's help, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Sir keir is mince aswell...same old shite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Soft Indy voters listening intently. Hardline Indy supporters with their heads in the sand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Soft Indy voters listening intently. Hardline Indy supporters with their heads in the sand. Stormzy, did you actually listen to this drivel? What earth shattering plan is Sir Man of The People offering?Answer- SFA. A feeble attempt to hold together what’s left of North Britain Labour. That ship has sailed and unless they embrace Independence they are going to end up as a footnote in history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, CambieBud said: Stormzy, did you actually listen to this drivel? What earth shattering plan is Sir Man of The People offering? Answer- SFA. A feeble attempt to hold together what’s left of North Britain Labour. That ship has sailed and unless they embrace Independence they are going to end up as a footnote in history. No I did not. I dunno I'd say the SNP should just abandon Indy and embrace the Union before they end up as a footnote in history. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 No I did not. I dunno I'd say the SNP should just abandon Indy and embrace the Union before they end up as a footnote in history. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Soft No voters listening intently to Starmer. Hardline British nationalists with their heads in the sand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Labour trotting out the same bullshit they lied about before won't exactly be a game changer for them IMO I pity anyone gullible and stupid enough to fall for this shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andre Drazen said: Labour trotting out the same bullshit they lied about before won't exactly be a game changer for them IMO I pity anyone gullible and stupid enough to fall for this shit. That anyone could be gullible enough to fall for it twice really would seriously beggar belief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Labour trotting out the same bullshit they lied about before won't exactly be a game changer for them IMO I pity anyone gullible and stupid enough to fall for this shit.They did this in the leadership elections and it was baffling how many people fell for it. Starmer saying in Liverpool that he wouldn’t give any interviews to The Sun during his campaign was the most blatant playing to the gallery shit and everyone bought it anyway. Unfortunately for Scottish Labour he’s having to try this with non-Labour voters who are pretty much lost forever and are justifiably embittered by decades of broken promises and being taken for granted as well as having a better alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I haven't even bothered to look, presume it was an announcement of some detail free, nebulous "Devo-Max" and restatement of No to IndyRef2 until the sun goes out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 48 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Soft No voters listening intently to Starmer. Hardline British nationalists with their heads in the sand. Regarding this current talking point what do the British Nationalists have their heads in the sand over? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Andre Drazen said: Labour trotting out the same bullshit they lied about before won't exactly be a game changer for them IMO I pity anyone gullible and stupid enough to fall for this shit. I agree. There's plenty of gullible and stupid people that will be sucked in by stories like this though. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, renton said: I haven't even bothered to look, presume it was an announcement of some detail free, nebulous "Devo-Max" and restatement of No to IndyRef2 until the sun goes out? Sounds like it. This view from Wales thinks Gordon Brown had a hand in it. https://nation.cymru/opinion/why-labour-leader-keir-starmers-devolution-speech-was-abysmally-bad/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Another Vow then..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I'd actually fancy a 3 way shoot out between Status Quo, pretendy devo max and Independence. As long as the caveat is highest percentage wins. I can see enhanced Devo actually splitting the No vote more. Independence, despite people being fooled would easily hit 45.... Other two options would be split. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Stormzy said: Soft Indy voters listening intently. Hardline Indy supporters with their heads in the sand. Self-awareness: maximum 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 it's bordering on offensive the way they trot this out. the journalists that attempt to punt this were too busy laying into independence during the referendum (a result that was never really likely at any point) that they utterly failed to hold Westminster's feet to the fire on a real devo max deal when it actually could have been wrung out of them. The MSM failed Scotland for that reason more than any other in my opinion over the course of that campaign. Quite happy to push a flimsy front page a few days before the vote. A disgrace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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