CambieBud Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just listened to some shadow cabinet no mark using the usual platitudes about: we’re listening, we haven’t changed enough yet, etc etc. Parties are supposed to have principles and that is this Labour Party’s problem. No vision, just let’s see what’s popular and replicate Tory policy light. Pathetic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Gavin Barwell ex-Tory MP in May's govt....... Many Labour MPs put all the blame for their 2019 defeat on Jeremy Corbyn. He was certainly a big factor but this narrative obscures the huge underlying challenges Labour faces. It is in a tougher situation today than the mid 1980s. Second, it's an electoral trap. The Conservative vote is becoming increasingly aligned with Leave, the Labour vote with Remain. But although the referendum result was close, the Remain vote was heavily concentrated in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland. This means that in constituency terms Leave has a big advantage. And the Conservatives have a virtual monopoly on the Leave vote whereas the Remain vote is split between Labour, the LDs, the Greens and Nationalists in Scotland and Wales. 7:36 AM · May 7, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Gavin Barwell ex-Tory MP in May's govt....... Many Labour MPs put all the blame for their 2019 defeat on Jeremy Corbyn. He was certainly a big factor but this narrative obscures the huge underlying challenges Labour faces. It is in a tougher situation today than the mid 1980s. Second, it's an electoral trap. The Conservative vote is becoming increasingly aligned with Leave, the Labour vote with Remain. But although the referendum result was close, the Remain vote was heavily concentrated in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland. This means that in constituency terms Leave has a big advantage. And the Conservatives have a virtual monopoly on the Leave vote whereas the Remain vote is split between Labour, the LDs, the Greens and Nationalists in Scotland and Wales. 7:36 AM · May 7, 2021 That's probably a decent analysis that provides a partial explanation. I suppose the concern is how long after 2016, will the electorate stay divided along Leave/Remain lines? It's this idea that it's got more to do with identity than with any genuine European question, which means the divide can long outlive the settling of the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 some men just want to watch the world burn (and post the results of embarrassing labour losses) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 From GuardianLabour is “on the brink of irrelevance”, according to Dave Ward, general secretary of the CWU union. He wants the party to commit to a bold policy agenda designed to appeal to working people.It was the CWU that infuriated Sir Keir Starmer’s supporters by commissioning a poll a month ago that suggested the Tories were on course for a seven-point win. (In fact, they won by 23 percentage points.) The poll also showed strong support in the constituency for some of the measures in Labour’s 2019 manifesto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 hahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, G51 said: hahahaha Forensic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Forensic It's genuinely laughable isn't it? Was a nice little movement we had once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Thank f**k Dorlomin put that idiocracsy video up so everyone knew not to even bother reading the post. If you fancy playing armchair psychiatrist for 20 minutes it's a treasure trove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 hours ago, G51 said: some men just want to watch the world burn (and post the results of embarrassing labour losses) Is he the guy who was cutting all the trees down? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: That's probably a decent analysis that provides a partial explanation. I suppose the concern is how long after 2016, will the electorate stay divided along Leave/Remain lines? It's this idea that it's got more to do with identity than with any genuine European question, which means the divide can long outlive the settling of the question. I recall all the geniuses who were adamant that Labour needed to commit to Remain throughout 2018 and 2019. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 The Hartlepool Tory MP is saying Labour took Hartlepool for granted for too long. The Tories have been in Westminster for 11 year, wages haven't increased at all and they have cut central government funding to councils by 60%. To the people who voted for her that is presumably irrelevant. They can't be reached by Labour. They need to talk directly to the people who negatively impacted by stagnant (about to be shrinking) wages and reduced services. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Labour were always in for a pasting here as a whole tranch of UKIP votes in the North of England became up for grabs. That they have gone en masse to the Tories is dire for Labour - they are taking a pasting. However the metro mayor election things ought to be the real crisis for the party - low turnout but the Tories belted them in Tees Valley with just shy of 73% of the vote. I've also noted a few massive swings against them in places where they ought to be winning, with the Greens and Lib Dems even taking seats from them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Labour shadow defence minister just resigned. Basically f**k Kier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith_94 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Mags Curran rolled out for the usual 'we must re-engage with real people, PS the SNP are pure shite' schtick. Not convinced Blair Jenkins knows who she is.Never change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) It's like football management. He didnt get a chance to build his team, covid hit and now he's being judged prematurely. (Jose Mourinho???) There won't be a GE for a while if he stays or not. Judge him if in the next 6-12 months we still don't know what vision Labour puts out. I'm sceptical he could deliver something inspiring but I'm going to give him a chance to at least have a fair kick at the ball. #keeparekeith Edited May 7, 2021 by Stormzy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, Stormzy said: It's like football management. He didnt get a chance to build his team, covid hit and now he's being judged prematurely. (Jose Mourinho???) There won't be a GE for a while if he stays or not. Judge him if in the next 6-12 months we still don't know what vision Labour puts out. I'm sceptical he could deliver something inspiring but I'm going to give him a chance to at least have a fair kick at the ball. #keeparekeith Mate the harshest thing I can say about this post is that it genuinely sounds like the kind of football analogy that Keir Starmer would use. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, G51 said: Mate the harshest thing I can say about this post is that it genuinely sounds like the kind of football analogy that Keir Starmer would use. Aye but have you seen his xG? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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