What is the point of labour ?

[Wee-Bey]

7 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Do you think he wouldn't fall on his sword if he was aware he would probably lose a vote of no confidence?

He probably would, but that doesn't mean he's going to face a vote of no confidence that he's likely to lose.

I hope you're not assuming that the leader of the Tories is going to be held to the same standards as the leader of the Labour Party.

[Granny Danger]

9 hours ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said:

6 more weeks of this.

He's already been found out to have misled on the Rayner thing and that the event was preplanned, that's what the tories will focus on. You think Johnson is going to magically fall on his sword ?

It’s a headline from one newspaper, the rest of the print media are taking a slightly-radically different stance.

BTW anyone who reads the Daily Heil already has their mind made up about Starmer and Labour.

[Albus Bulbasaur]

2 hours ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said:

He probably would, but that doesn't mean he's going to face a vote of no confidence that he's likely to lose.

I hope you're not assuming that the leader of the Tories is going to be held to the same standards as the leader of the Labour Party.

Aye I think he will. Especially if we see the Gray report, some new pictures or even more fines on the doorstep in the coming weeks. 

[Salt n Vinegar]

After all the goings on in Parliament and keeping in mind the sycophants on the back benches, I am coming to the conclusion that BoJo is now well into Trump territory. He could do virtually anything, maybe just short of shooting someone on The Mall, and the "Heah Heah" brigade would roar their approval. 

[scottsdad]

13 days the Daily Heil has had this on its front page. Cost of living crisis, inflation, Ukraine, climate change, local elections, Queen's health - all of it playing second fiddle to trying to get after Starmer. They must be terrified of him. 

In the end he played the only card he could. No way he could stay on if fined, so he made it a badge of honour. Now people can see a difference between him and BawJaws; this whole thing had been done to make the curry the same as Boris's birthday parties, leaving do's, BYOB nights, quiz parties and Christmas parties. And in the end I reckon the only thing people will really take away from this is that Starmer is a man of integrity whereas Johnson isn't. This has backfired on the right wing press. 

[DrewDon]

Julie Anderton has been sacked for ordering a curry and some beers for Labour Party staff in Durham. The matter is now closed. 

[coprolite]

43 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

13 days the Daily Heil has had this on its front page. Cost of living crisis, inflation, Ukraine, climate change, local elections, Queen's health - all of it playing second fiddle to trying to get after Starmer. They must be terrified of him. 

In the end he played the only card he could. No way he could stay on if fined, so he made it a badge of honour. Now people can see a difference between him and BawJaws; this whole thing had been done to make the curry the same as Boris's birthday parties, leaving do's, BYOB nights, quiz parties and Christmas parties. And in the end I reckon the only thing people will really take away from this is that Starmer is a man of integrity whereas Johnson isn't. This has backfired on the right wing press. 

Having more integrity than Boris Johnson doesn't make you a man of integrity. 

And i think you overestimate the ability of Daily Mail readers to form their own views based on evidence. 

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

I'd be much more interested if they renamed it PaneerGate.

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

54 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

13 days the Daily Heil has had this on its front page. Cost of living crisis, inflation, Ukraine, climate change, local elections, Queen's health - all of it playing second fiddle to trying to get after Starmer. They must be terrified of him. 

 

The most cope-laden statement in the history of the sub forum 

[Florentine_Pogen]

I'd be much more interested if they renamed it PaneerGate.

ParathaGate sounds better.

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

This would be a fitting end to Starmer's time as leader. Almost his every action has been justified and lionised by those invested in his project while he collapses the party's finances, loses their ground game, achieves zero meaningful victories and becomes more disliked by the public the more they learn about him. So to conduct this big brain integrity play to the applause of the choir, while everyone else can see it will prevent barely a single voter ticking the big conservative box at the next election, is very funny.

Say what you want about Corbyn, but within 2 years he'd built the closest we've seen to a mass movement in this country for decades and gained the largest increase in vote share by the labour party since '45, and that's with press coverage that was not as awful as we'd see in 18/19 but far worse than Keith's couple of weeks with beergate. While he's obviously not had an election to fight, it's staggering how little concrete progress he's made. Was actually shocked it had been as long as two years he'd been in charge 

 

 

[Wee-Bey]

2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Aye I think he will. Especially if we see the Gray report, some new pictures or even more fines on the doorstep in the coming weeks. 

It's the same energy as this I'm afraid.

[coprolite]

17 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

This would be a fitting end to Starmer's time as leader. Almost his every action has been justified and lionised by those invested in his project while he collapses the party's finances, loses their ground game, achieves zero meaningful victories and becomes more disliked by the public the more they learn about him. So to conduct this big brain integrity play to the applause of the choir, while everyone else can see it will prevent barely a single voter ticking the big conservative box at the next election, is very funny.

Say what you want about Corbyn, but within 2 years he'd built the closest we've seen to a mass movement in this country for decades and gained the largest increase in vote share by the labour party since '45, and that's with press coverage that was not as awful as we'd see in 18/19 but far worse than Keith's couple of weeks with beergate. While he's obviously not had an election to fight, it's staggering how little concrete progress he's made. Was actually shocked it had been as long as two years he'd been in charge 

 

 

He's stopped the party from falling apart, which was pretty much his remit. 

I don't think that it's worth holding together though. 

The triangulating third way managerialists should all piss off and form their own party with Keir as the boss and leave the people who backed Corbyn's moderate Social Democrat agenda to have a proper Labour party. 

 

 

[Wee-Bey]

[Albus Bulbasaur]

17 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said:

It's the same energy as this I'm afraid.

We shall see. I said I predict Boris will be gone by Autumn not necessarily immediately. 

I think the centre ground will win at the next GE and I can see why this would not be pleasant for both Tories and Corbyn supporters.

It's perfectly understandable why many on the left would be cynical about this outcome. 

[Highlandmagar]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

He's stopped the party from falling apart, which was pretty much his remit. 

I don't think that it's worth holding together though. 

The triangulating third way managerialists should all piss off and form their own party with Keir as the boss and leave the people who backed Corbyn's moderate Social Democrat agenda to have a proper Labour party. 

 

 

What is a ' proper' Labour party'?

[coprolite]

6 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

What is a ' proper' Labour party'?

To my mind:

One that represents the interests of people whose main economic attribute is their endowment of time for working rather than wealth. 

It should have strong links with Unions. 

It should favour equality of opportunity, a good social security safety net and a free NHS. 

It should be prepared to consider public ownership of natural monopolies (usually large infrastructure networks) but not be ideologically tied to public ownership. 

It should be broadly pacifist and internationalist. 

 

It shouldn't do stupid shit like backing austerity and trying to out tory the dark side on immigration, like the blairite goons. 

 

[Highlandmagar]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

To my mind:

One that represents the interests of people whose main economic attribute is their endowment of time for working rather than wealth. 

It should have strong links with Unions. 

It should favour equality of opportunity, a good social security safety net and a free NHS. 

It should be prepared to consider public ownership of natural monopolies (usually large infrastructure networks) but not be ideologically tied to public ownership. 

It should be broadly pacifist and internationalist. 

 

It shouldn't do stupid shit like backing austerity and trying to out tory the dark side on immigration, like the blairite goons. 

 

All good and principled. And I agree broadly with your sentiments. But , unfortunately unelectable in England.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

To my mind:

One that represents the interests of people whose main economic attribute is their endowment of time for working rather than wealth. 

It should have strong links with Unions. 

It should favour equality of opportunity, a good social security safety net and a free NHS. 

It should be prepared to consider public ownership of natural monopolies (usually large infrastructure networks) but not be ideologically tied to public ownership. 

It should be broadly pacifist and internationalist. 

 

It shouldn't do stupid shit like backing austerity and trying to out tory the dark side on immigration, like the blairite goons. 

 

That’s the sort of principles I’d like to see for the governing party in Scotland post Independence.  More realistic than a U.K. Labour Party.

[coprolite]

18 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

All good and principled. And I agree broadly with your sentiments. But , unfortunately unelectable in England.

I can see why people say that but Corbyn got 40% in 2017 despite the best efforts of half the parliamentary party, the press and the broadcast media.  I think that a genuine alternative could mobilise apathetic voters.  We just need a charismatic frontman to sell it.