DA Baracus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: I agree with most of that, particularly about Starmer, but I think there are still many ordinary Labour Party members who are left of centre. Particularly in England where there is no perceived practical alternative. I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”. As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right. No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time. 40 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, DA Baracus said: No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time. You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance? It's about what gets them elected. In England, they need to talk like right wingers to get in, then govern like left wingers. The SNP do the opposite here - they sound left wing to get elected but don't govern as socialists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. The problem with that is many on the left lose hope and don't bother voting. Labour need a galvanising message rather than just Tory lite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 They don’t want to be seen upsetting the Daily Mail readers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Clown Job said: They don’t want to be seen upsetting the Daily Mail readers Ben (please give me a job when you become PM Keir) Bradshaw. Another Labour careerist with impeccable non-working class credentials. Edited July 28, 2022 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Quote But the clique of advisers that now surrounds Keir Starmer and appears to control the party seems drunk on its own power and to have lost all appreciation of the party’s traditions of mutual respect and solidarity. Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, scottsdad said: I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. No argument from me. When Corbyn was in charge a big chunk of the PLP attacked him far more than they did the Tories. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. Blair only did it in his first term as they were manifesto relics from John Smith's leadership. After Labour's first term they were anything but radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said: The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. Why would they? They work in partnership with them up here and actually sack folk for refusing to join the love in. Both anti-democratic Little Englander gammon shit shows. We know it and the Scousers know it, just need the rest to give their heads a wobble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 As someone who hasn't voted Labour since 1987, and will never do so again, I didn't think that my opinion of them could get any less favourable, but it just has! https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/27/starmer-calls-for-a-bank-holiday-if-england-win-womens-euro-2022-final 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Sturgeon should declare a Scottish Bank Holiday if Germany win, just for the lulz 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said: Sturgeon should declare a Scottish Bank Holiday if Germany win, just for the lulz Is this Monday not the traditional Scottish August Bank anyway? It was always the first Monday in August when I was younger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I think the question in thread title has been answered comprehensively. None, no point whatsoever, they are a fucking sham & if you’re inclined to vote Labour at the moment, just go the full hog & vote Tory. I’m getting close to the point where they are approaching hatred levels I have for conservatives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Brother Blades said: I think the question in thread title has been answered comprehensively. None, no point whatsoever, they are a fucking sham & if you’re inclined to vote Labour at the moment, just go the full hog & vote Tory. I’m getting close to the point where they are approaching hatred levels I have for conservatives. The Labour and Conservative parties are the Old Firm of UK(RIP) politics. Two sides of the same coin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I see Sam Tarry doing his reselection bid for his seat no harm at all. Joining Corbyn today on the picket line and attacking Starmer on TV. Attaboy, you fucking muppet. Nobody can ever remember a word he said about the Tories, but he got his dim, uncomprehending face on the TV harming Labour's chances. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 It really is a tremendous effort to be totally unelectable despite facing one of the most useless and corrupt governments in history. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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