Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Jedi said: Can you provide the quote for the article (the one of out of seveb) which suggests that Starmer is lying. Thanks Sir Keir added: "Despite being a skilled toolmaker throughout his working life, my dad thought people looked down on him because he worked on the factory floor. He was right about that." But Sir Keir's account of toolmaker Rodney Starmer's working-class credentials is likely to be challenged. A recent biography of the Labour leader claimed his father was not an employee, but self-employed and ran his own business as a sole trader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 The big question all this raises is of course, do we believe the actual leader of the Labour Party, or do we believe @Jedi and hope that Sir Keith is only trying not to scare the electorate & it will be the dawn of a radical left wing agenda if only they can win power? Hmmmm tough one! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Starmer is a complete sack of shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Starmer is a complete sack of shit. An insult to sacks of shit around the world. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Brother Blades said: The big question all this raises is of course, do we believe the actual leader of the Labour Party, or do we believe @Jedi and hope that Sir Keith is only trying not to scare the electorate & it will be the dawn of a radical left wing agenda if only they can win power? Hmmmm tough one! Not even Jedi believes Jedi. He absolutely lost the run of himself in this thread and so has been at it for some time now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Not even Jedi believes Jedi. He absolutely lost the run of himself in this thread and so has been at it for some time now. There are posters who treat him as if he’s serious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 So, his dad, it turns out was a skilled toolmaker, which is a working class job, and presumably meant that he worked on a factory floor. Whether self-employed or working for other not all that relevant..and hardly a lie. Despite all the citations of Starmer referencing every policy area I have mentioned, he is 'lying' about all these all well..critical thinking again. In 1996 Gordon Brown talked about sticking to Tory spending plans for the first 2 years of govt...a lot of folk voted for them then. Don't really see the difference now in being bound by the economic mess the Tories leave. The Sturg meanwhile is a renowned truth teller..indeed she can't even remember whether or not she was at meetings in her own home, when required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 'Being at it'=proproviding idence of Keir Starmer referencing and supporting a range of policies passed at Labour Conference. .....and of course asking any questions of the SNPs record in govt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: There are posters who treat him as if he’s serious. Looks like the “just honestly defending Labour, mate” mask is dropping again already - another poorly-written, spittle-flecked rant about ThE sTuRg and teh SNP incoming. You have to wonder how much of it’s just designed to get bites. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 54 minutes ago, Antlion said: Looks like the “just honestly defending Labour, mate” mask is dropping again already - another poorly-written, spittle-flecked rant about ThE sTuRg and teh SNP incoming. You have to wonder how much of it’s just designed to get bites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Thankfully I don't see Jedi's content these days so I can't say whether he thinks Starmer is a useless tory c**t or not but based on the evidence to date, I'd be shocked if that wasn't the shared view across the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 As to Labour telling the truth, there have been articles in pro-Labour organs like the Graun (see the Brexit thread) suggesting that Labour's public commitment to Brexit is a deflection, and that secretly they're planning to edge closer to the EU but Shhh! don't tell anyone in the Red Wall. I don't believe a word of it but what an intriguing campaign slogan for Labour. Vote Labour! We don't mean a word we say! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, KirkieRR said: As to Labour telling the truth, there have been articles in pro-Labour organs like the Graun (see the Brexit thread) suggesting that Labour's public commitment to Brexit is a deflection, and that secretly they're planning to edge closer to the EU but Shhh! don't tell anyone in the Red Wall. I don't believe a word of it but what an intriguing campaign slogan for Labour. Vote Labour! We don't mean a word we say! Nothing says “there’s a man you can trust” quite like being told, “vote for him - he’s just lying to appease racists, you see!” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackislekillie Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Jedi said: In 1996 Gordon Brown talked about sticking to Tory spending plans for the first 2 years of govt...a lot of folk voted for them then. Don't really see the difference now Seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, blackislekillie said: Seriously? It did indeed happen in 1996, yes. With the substantial debt built up by the current Tory govt, a lot of it down to Truss/Kwartang as well as Sunak, I wouldn't expect the leader of the Labour Party to be talking about a 'spending spree' in the early part, but rather, being constrained by the Tory debt mountain, to find ways of working with investors to fund the Green New Deal eg, as he has suggested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Serious question btw..do you believe that if Starmer said tomorrow..'you know what, if we win.the election we will reverse Brexit and take the UK back into the EU in the next 5 years' that Labour would win the GE, or would the Tories claw back a near 25% gap as it currently is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jedi said: Serious question btw..do you believe that if Starmer said tomorrow..'you know what, if we win.the election we will reverse Brexit and take the UK back into the EU in the next 5 years' that Labour would win the GE, or would the Tories claw back a near 25% gap as it currently is? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html?amp They wouldn’t win the majority currently predicted & may be forced to deal with another party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html?amp They wouldn’t win the majority currently predicted & may be forced to deal with another party. In which case should they be making it policy for the GE to rejoin the EU or not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jedi said: In which case should they be making it policy for the GE to rejoin the EU or not? Of course they should, as it’s the correct decision for the good of the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, blackislekillie said: Seriously? Major had in part won the 1992 Election with a advert showing two boxing gloves and the slogan "Labour's double whammy" suggesting Kinnock's policies would lead to higher prices and more taxation. (Taxes actually did go up under the Tories and they arsed up the economy until Fat Ken Clarke improved matters) It had been assumed Major would lose the 1992 election and so Labour under John Smith and then Blair and Brown tended to be a bit "conservative" in regards to economic policies. Starmer saying nothing, being cautious and not announcing policies until near an election is nothing new 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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