Detournement Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Since the election they've attempted to act tough on border security and they've repeatedly attempted to build capital out of the knife crime panic about policing cuts with their 10000 more police officers on the street pledges. To virtually no political benefit judging by the limp council elections. Maybe they should stick to the good socialist stuff they made the breakthrough with and leave the law and order shite to the Tories. If that's all it took to give up on the only chance of creating a fairer society then you need to work a bit harder on the optimism of the will part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The full thing is about offering a left wing manifesto. Being in a position to offer that to a the largest possible proportion of the public in a general election is more important than winning the day on whatever battleground the media are choosing in the short term.No, the full thing is about gaining power to enact that manifesto, and you simply won't achieve that if said manifesto doesn't appeal to enough of the electorate.But wait, I'm actually wrong there, it's even more than that. It also involves inspiring a broad enough range of people to form a consensus to deliver power, and forming a team which inspires confidence.For you, taking part seems to be more important than winning. Politics and its effects on peoples' lives is too important for that sort of self-indulgence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Detournement said: If that's all it took to give up on the only chance of creating a fairer society then you need to work a bit harder on the optimism of the will part. I'd rather be independent, mate. Clearly you missed the part where I said it was one of the reasons I gave up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The 2017 Manifesto was very popular and hopefully the next manifesto will increase the votal total from 12.8m up to what is required for victory. Given that it seemed impossible that voters would be offered a genuine left wing option for close to 30 years the fact that Corbyn and the current leadership are offering that is in itself remarkable. My point is that there is never going to be a left wing Labour leadership which isn't vilified by the media and constantly portrayed as being in crisis, there is nothing to be done other than weather the storm until an upcoming election presents the opportunity to directly talk to voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Detournement said: If that's all it took to give up on the only chance of creating a fairer society then you need to work a bit harder on the optimism of the will part. Sounding a bit Nietzschean Nazi there. Edited March 12, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: The 2017 Manifesto was very popular and hopefully the next manifesto will increase the votal total from 12.8m up to what is required for victory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: Sounding a bit Nietzschean Nazi there mate. Only to the illiterate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Only to the illiterate. You do seem to have more in common with the far right than Democratic Socialism, constantly siding with the likes of Trump and the ERG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You do seem to have more in common with the far right than Democratic Socialism, constantly siding with the likes of Trump and the ERG. It's part of a quote from Gramsci a founder member of the Italian communist party and the guy in NotThePars avatar with the big hair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) The manifesto itself was really good and took Labour to where it needs to be and needs to go. The subsequent attempts to appeal to light Tories on the grounds of law and order? Not so much. The interminable squabbling is just so utterly draining as well*. It doesn't help up here either that Slab is just filled with useless arseholes, creeps like Alex Rowley, all the wee guys in the SLYS and CfS, and the detritus from the Blairite years. *I get the point of all the manufactured outrage is to stifle any actual attempts at changing the party for the better but I can't be gassed with it and would rather just leave the UK and blame Tom Watson for it. Edited March 12, 2019 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's part of a quote from Gramsci a founder member of the Italian communist party and the guy in NotThePars avatar with the big hair. I prefer the pessimism of the intellect than chasing unicorns myself. Like staying in the EU rather than jumping off a cliff that the far right are encouraging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Richard Leonard genuinely creeps me out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Richard Leonard genuinely creeps me out Stephen Bush and Eve Livingston pointed out that him and Richard Hammond could plausibly be brothers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Time for Labour to ditch Corbyn and replace him with someone who will respect the policy of the party on Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Phillip, Richard's brother is of course puss in boots from shrekAhahaha. Fucking hell I even Googled “Philip Hammond” before posting this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Time for Labour to ditch Corbyn and replace him with someone who will respect the policy of the party on Brexit. Don't see that happening until after next GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Here is the "independent"group in Aberdeen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/31/scottish-labour-party-has-gone-missing-not-too-late-to-rediscover-it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 12/03/2019 at 09:28, O'Kelly Isley III said: Would that really matter to Corbyn and his camp followers ? He strikes me as a guy who would happily see Labour become the East Stirling of UK politics rather than temper his own ideological purity. Reported for homophobia... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Duncan Hothersall beyond rattled on Twitter today Glorious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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