Baggio Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I'm not making it up.I used to tease Carol about bringing up a fat idiot when we decided he'd be on the bottle. Did the midwives actually tell you that? If so, that is shocking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Did the midwives actually tell you that?If so, that is shocking. Yep. That's where the resentment came from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Yep. That's where the resentment came from. They actually said "your child will be a bit slow if you choose to bottle feed him"? I'm stunned at that. I have my own experience of the pressure to breast feed that new mums are put under, but nothing like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGG Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 When my girl was pregnant with Coley the nurses and midwives were more or less guilt tripping her into breast feeding. I resented them a lot for that. We were also told that the kid could grow up obese and a bit slower if not breastfed.Cole has been bottlefed from week one, counts up to ten and strings coherent sentences together. He can also distinguish plurals, all at 2 years, 2 months. There may well be health benefits to breast feeding mothers but I'd love to see the evidence concerning bottle feeding making kids a bit slower. No-one should be guilted in breastfeeding. It's a choice. My biggest problem lies with situations where that choice is not based around making an informed decision. The evidence you refer to does exist, but the findings are certainly not worded in that way. The study in question found that children who were formula (not bottle) fed have a lower IQ on average than those who were breastfed. I can probably dig out a link for you if you wanted to see it. The health risks with using infant formula are well-documented. Any of the decent, reputable studies upon which our info re infant feeding are based are conducted with groups of babies and the overall findings reported as such. An *increased risk* of something doesn't mean that every formula fed child will be affected, nor does it mean that every breastfed child will be immune. For example, breastmilk forms a protective lining in the baby's gut which will prevent larger molecules from getting through and therefore protects against allergies, asthma, eczema, etc. Anything the baby digests other than breastmilk (water, infant formula, solid foods) will start to break this lining down and decrease the protection, therefore *increasing* the risk. There will still be some breastfed babies who suffer from asthma. There will be some formula fed babies who don't. Part of my job is to make sure people know the risks and can make their decisions appropriately, not to make them feel guilty for not choosing what I did for me and my children. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGG Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Yep. That's where the resentment came from. and THAT is exactly why no-one should be bullied into a certain way of parenting. Edited September 10, 2008 by HGG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 "Make no mistake..." gets on my nerves. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyde til we die Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 My grandad has been in hospital for 2 weeks, and is very poorly. I left work at ten to go and see him as i was convinced he was going to go today, i sat with him till 6 pm. He's still hanging in there but the doctors and nurses have said he doesnt have long left, i've got a gut feeling he will go tonight, i am in fuckin bits at the moment. Sorry to hear that Neilly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 They actually said "your child will be a bit slow if you choose to bottle feed him"?I'm stunned at that. I have my own experience of the pressure to breast feed that new mums are put under, but nothing like that. They didn't quite say it word for word like that but that was definitely what they were getting at. and THAT is exactly why no-one should be bullied into a certain way of parenting. Dont get me wrong, everyone who dealt with Carol and then Coley were first class when they weren't giving us the spiel that our bairn would be fat and thick if he wasn't breast fed. They were very insistant but I suppose that their job requires them to push breast feeding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofjenova Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 *HGG Quote here*Everyone I've mentioned that I'd like to breastfeed the baby has told me I'm off my head Indicitive of society. Who are these people? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGG Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) They were very insistant but I suppose that their job requires them to push breast feeding. I guess it often gets interpreted like that, yes. There are ways, means and times, though. Having said that, it's also easy for parents to feel like they're being criticised for formula feeding when that's not the case - such is the nature of the subject. Particularly when you've just had a baby, you're completely knackered, sore, hormones are all over the place and you're wanting to get home with your new baby. Then just one more person asks if you're breastfeeding or tells you that's it's beneficial to or even just asks why you've chosen not to... Edited September 11, 2008 by HGG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RH33 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 My grandad has been in hospital for 2 weeks, and is very poorly. I left work at ten to go and see him as i was convinced he was going to go today, i sat with him till 6 pm. He's still hanging in there but the doctors and nurses have said he doesnt have long left, i've got a gut feeling he will go tonight, i am in fuckin bits at the moment. My uncle and I three times made the dash up the A9 as we thought my Granny was on her way out. First time we pulled over at Ibrox to say goodbye on the phone. She lasted another 2.5 years which was long enough for her to see me get married Hope your Grandad is Ok Neilly.When my girl was pregnant with Coley the nurses and midwives were more or less guilt tripping her into breast feeding. I resented them a lot for that. We were also told that the kid could grow up obese and a bit slower if not breastfed. Cole has been bottlefed from week one, counts up to ten and strings coherent sentences together. He can also distinguish plurals, all at 2 years, 2 months. There may well be health benefits to breast feeding mothers but I'd love to see the evidence concerning bottle feeding making kids a bit slower. I've only got 4 weeks or so to go and I have had NO information about feeding at all other than what I have read. However I have already been diagnosed with sever post natal depression Midwives (sorry Ayrgirl not you) in my experience have been useless. Who are these people? Family (not my mum she fed both me and my sister) Inlaws Friends (with and without kids) I've discovered that everyone has an opinion on everything to do with bringing up my baby. The fact that I want to use real nappies, breastfeed and have it in it's own room from day 1 causes shock and horror. But at end of day it's my baby and I've started ignoring others opinions of what I should be doing. I think society isn't geared to breastfeeding and that is why so many woman are put off it. I'm lucky in that my husband is very supportive of my decision and if any of my friends are uncomfortable then I'll simply ask to use one of the bedrooms in their house to feed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I've discovered that everyone has an opinion on everything to do with bringing up my baby. The fact that I want to use real nappies, breastfeed and have it in it's own room from day 1 causes shock and horror. But at end of day it's my baby and I've started ignoring others opinions of what I should be doing.I think society isn't geared to breastfeeding and that is why so many woman are put off it. I'm lucky in that my husband is very supportive of my decision and if any of my friends are uncomfortable then I'll simply ask to use one of the bedrooms in their house to feed. Just do what you feel comfortable with Rowan and treat folk that try to tell you how to raise your own child with the contempt they deserve. We had Cole in our room until he was 8 months and he was under constant supervision mainly because he was in the neo natal ward for a week with a shadow on his lungs. That instilled a paranoia that still lives with me yet about his breathing even though he runs everywhere now and it's plain to see that the problems he had in his first week are long gone. We regularly put Isla in the room by herself for a wee sleep and some peace and she is a better sleeper than Cole was because of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistle Blower Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) I've discovered that everyone has an opinion on everything to do with bringing up my baby. The fact that I want to use real nappies, breastfeed and have it in it's own room from day 1 causes shock and horror. But at end of day it's my baby and I've started ignoring others opinions of what I should be doing.I think society isn't geared to breastfeeding and that is why so many woman are put off it. I'm lucky in that my husband is very supportive of my decision and if any of my friends are uncomfortable then I'll simply ask to use one of the bedrooms in their house to feed. Well said, it is your kid so do what you want. Mrs WB stopped breast feeding at 6 weeks, Cameron is now 9 months, 24 lbs and 2 foot 6 tall, and feeds himself his teas, so it can't all be bad. My PTTGOYN, is my job interview yesterday, went well but there was no interest in me as a person, more interested in my experience and qualifications. Made me wonder if it really is a company I want to work for, and senior waste management consultant does sound a bit wanky. Edited September 11, 2008 by Whistle Blower 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrgirl Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I've only got 4 weeks or so to go and I have had NO information about feeding at all other than what I have read. However I have already been diagnosed with sever post natal depression Midwives (sorry Ayrgirl not you) in my experience have been useless. That's ok, I haven't practised as a midwife for approx 6 years anyway. I have however had experience of the Paisley midwives as that is where Cal was born. Although a fair few from where I trained in Greenock are now at the Mat and there were some cracking midwives who worked with me. Have you not attended any ante-natal classes? They should cover feeding there and IIRC they usually spend a fair amount of time promoting breast-feeding. Obviously you can't have severe post natal depression as you are not, as yet, post-natal. However I would say that with your history you are probably pretty much pre-disposed to it. I'm sure you have your own doctors but Alistair Dearing who used to work in Greenock has a special interest in depression and pregnancy. He was most helpful, it comes to us all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Just do what you feel comfortable with Rowan and treat folk that try to tell you how to raise your own child with the contempt they deserve.We had Cole in our room until he was 8 months and he was under constant supervision mainly because he was in the neo natal ward for a week with a shadow on his lungs. That instilled a paranoia that still lives with me yet about his breathing even though he runs everywhere now and it's plain to see that the problems he had in his first week are long gone. We regularly put Isla in the room by herself for a wee sleep and some peace and she is a better sleeper than Cole was because of that. Poor wee soul, must have scared the living daylights out of you. How is Isla doing she must be about 6 months? Well said, it is your kid so do what you want. Mrs WB stopped breast feeding at 6 weeks, Cameron is now 9 months, 24 lbs and 2 foot 6 tall, and feeds himself his teas, so it can't all be bad. Thank you. That's ok, I haven't practised as a midwife for approx 6 years anyway. I have however had experience of the Paisley midwives as that is where Cal was born. Although a fair few from where I trained in Greenock are now at the Mat and there were some cracking midwives who worked with me. Have you not attended any ante-natal classes? They should cover feeding there and IIRC they usually spend a fair amount of time promoting breast-feeding. Obviously you can't have severe post natal depression as you are not, as yet, post-natal. However I would say that with your history you are probably pretty much pre-disposed to it. I'm sure you have your own doctors but Alistair Dearing who used to work in Greenock has a special interest in depression and pregnancy. He was most helpful, it comes to us all Um no when they told me they were called parentcraft I decided I wasn't going so I suppose it is in part my fault. This was then backed up by a midwife who told me if I knew not to drop kick the bairn across the room there wasn't much point going! No I don't obviously but my GP who's been dealing with me for 3 years actually thinks I'll be fine. I just get sick of been talked at about it. At the end of the day the *majority* of parents do what they feel is the best thing for their child. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofjenova Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Family (not my mum she fed both me and my sister) Inlaws Friends (with and without kids) They aren't very supportive then, are they? I'd quietly drop all these people from christmas card lists etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 VAT refund processing! Aye, only three days and the novelty has worn off! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Poor wee soul, must have scared the living daylights out of you. How is Isla doing she must be about 6 months? It was terrible. I automatically go to worst case scenario so I was fraught. Isla will be 5 months on the 22nd. She's way above average for her length and all she does is smile at everyone. Lovely wee thing. Hope you're keeping well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebridean Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 They didn't quite say it word for word like that but that was definitely what they were getting at. How would you have liked them to have phrased it then? Or would you have preferred to have been left to make the decision based entirely on what suited yourselves and without regard to the various reasons that one choice over another is best for the baby? The evidence points to higher average intelligence amongst breastfed children (dubious though that one is) and has proven lower rates of obesity in later life. You won't disprove that with a sample of one, nor do you negate the implications of the decision you made by pouring scorn on the manner in which you perceive the advice was given. The principle that no one should be bullied into this or any other parenting choice is all well and good, but against a backdrop of perpetual bullying from formula manufacturers who break and flaunt the law at every turn, inadequately trained health professionals in this area and a general consensus that bottle feeding is the "norm", pussy-footing isn’t the answer. And if the presentation of facts causes offence, then so be it. If someone interprets “bottle feeding will increase the risk of obesity” or “breastfeeding will decrease the risk of obesity” as “your kid will get fat”, then it’s a pity. It’s the chance you take. But that’s all I believe has happened. If they had gone on to say that breastfeeding would reduce the chances of cot death, Diabetes, Mutiple Sclerosis, Chron’s disease, respiratory infections, tooth decay and breast cancer would you have interpreted that as them saying that the baby (and mother) were going to suffer from all of these if you used formula? You’ve already taken liberties quoting what was said to you. If the phrase used annoyed you that much, tell us what they really said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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