peasy23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Racing 92 are just being strict with their players the now Ben Tameifuna has been told to lose 20kg before e can play again. I know there is a lot of down time for players at these tourneys, but did he just eat constantly when they were idle? 160kg is about 25 stones in old money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, peasy23 said: 9 hours ago, ajwffc said: Racing 92 are just being strict with their players the now Ben Tameifuna has been told to lose 20kg before e can play again. I know there is a lot of down time for players at these tourneys, but did he just eat constantly when they were idle? 160kg is about 25 stones in old money. I think he just loves his food he was 134kg at the Chiefs, 148kg when he joined Racing in 2015 and he was 151kg at the start of the tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Looks like Saracens have been naughty boys. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50300756 Been rumours and Chinese whispers for years. I would imagine they will appeal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I remember when these reared its head that it was a bit of a grey area. Im sure it was that the owner of Saracens was investing money to get a part ownership in companies that were being set up by the players (ie providing the capital) but still getting a return on this so in theory not directly paying the players. Im sure he gave examples of personal training, gyms, bars etc at the time that were run / owned by the players. I believe the RFU investigated and decided these companies were just a front to pay the players more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I remember when these reared its head that it was a bit of a grey area. Im sure it was that the owner of Saracens was investing money to get a part ownership in companies that were being set up by the players (ie providing the capital) but still getting a return on this so in theory not directly paying the players. Im sure he gave examples of personal training, gyms, bars etc at the time that were run / owned by the players. I believe the RFU investigated and decided these companies were just a front to pay the players more Yep, "co-investments" Saracens are calling them. Thing is, none of the companies appear to do much, and they should be fined and deducted points just for the shite company names. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Seen a few things online that suggest all that Saracens are really concerned about is getting the points reduction reduced to a level where they think they can still finish in the top 4, with 20 points being suggested as a handicap they think they can overcome. It does beg the question about this season's squad meeting the cap though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, peasy23 said: It does beg the question about this season's squad meeting the cap though. Especially since they added Elliot Daly. It explains why Callum Hunter Hill is there though as loans don't count against the cap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Round 6 Friday, November 8 Edinburgh Rugby v Dragons – KO 19:35 BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh Referee: George Clancy (IRFU, 118th Championship Appearance) AR1: Ian Kenny (SRU), AR2: Graeme Ormiston (SRU), TMO: Colin Stanley (IRFU) Connacht Rugby v Leinster Rugby – KO 19:35 The Sportsground, Galway Referee: Sean Gallagher (IRFU, 17th Championship Appearance) AR1: Johnny Erskine (IRFU), AR2: Mark Patton (IRFU) TMO: Leo Colgan (IRFU) Saturday, November 9 Zebre Rugby Club v Glasgow Warriors – KO 15:00 (UK) / 16:00 (ITA) Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi, Parma Referee: Ian Davies (WRU, 78th Championship Appearance) AR1: Marius Mitrea (FIR), AR2: Kelvin Short (WRU) TMO: Wayne Davies (WRU) Ospreys v Isuzu Sothern Kings – KO 15:00 (UK) / 16:00 (SA) Liberty Stadium, Swansea Referee: Andrea Piardi (FIR, 4th Championship Appearance) AR1: Ben Whitehouse (WRU AR2: Gianluca Gnecchi (FIR) TMO: Alan Falzone (FIR) Cardiff Blues v Toyota Cheetahs – KO 17:15 (UK) / 19:15 (SA) Cardiff Arms Park Referee: Ben Blain (SRU, 4th Championship Appearance) AR1: Mike Adamson (SRU), AR2: Fin Brown (SRU) TMO: Andrew McMenemy (SRU) Munster Rugby v Ulster Rugby – KO 17:15 Thomond Park, Limerick Referee: Frank Murphy (IRFU, 28th Championship Appearance) AR1: Rob O’Sullivan (IRFU) AR2: Paul Haycock (IRFU) TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU) Scarlets v Benetton – KO 19:35 (UK) / 20:35 (ITA) Parc y Scarlets Referee: Andrew Brace (IRFU, 47th Championship Appearance) AR1: Dan Jones (WRU) AR2: Stuart Gaffikin (IRFU) TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU) Read more at https://www.pro14rugby.org/match-centre/referee-appointments/#zPBlkdUP2yau15JT.99 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Looking forward to hearing Jim and Goodey on the Sarries salary cap breach. Jim's house he rented from Nigel Wray is usually an interesting subject anyway! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I remember when these reared its head that it was a bit of a grey area. Im sure it was that the owner of Saracens was investing money to get a part ownership in companies that were being set up by the players (ie providing the capital) but still getting a return on this so in theory not directly paying the players. Im sure he gave examples of personal training, gyms, bars etc at the time that were run / owned by the players. I believe the RFU investigated and decided these companies were just a front to pay the players more Reminds me of Hassan Kachloul's "amateur" status at Livingston - shame the Scottish authorities were fucking spineless b*****ds about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, honestly united said: I remember when these reared its head that it was a bit of a grey area. Im sure it was that the owner of Saracens was investing money to get a part ownership in companies that were being set up by the players (ie providing the capital) but still getting a return on this so in theory not directly paying the players. Im sure he gave examples of personal training, gyms, bars etc at the time that were run / owned by the players. I believe the RFU investigated and decided these companies were just a front to pay the players more Is this not almost entirely the same as the dodgy side contracts Rangers were dishing out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Is this not almost entirely the same as the dodgy side contracts Rangers were dishing out? on the face of it this is about dodging wage caps as opposed to dodging tax. It’s more like clubs that have breached UEFA’s financial fair play regulations or the tail end of Rugby’s amateur era when players might find themselves working for club sponsors in well paid jobs that weren’t very demanding Although HMRC may be asking some awkward questions as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) From what I can gather there is nothing illegal about it, or any wider tax implications - this is just someone investing in someone else's company, and from that sense it is all above board. I think Sarries have been quite open about the fact they were doing it as they saw it as above board, and it wasn't the club per se, but the Chairman acting of his own accord to invest in companies for his own return. However the RFU have taken the view that as there are set salary caps in place for all clubs, the fact that the owner of the club is investing in players companies, that have only just been set up is akin to additional payments ie it looks like the players are only signing as they know they will get additional income to help set up a business away from the rugby that will be a nest egg for when they retire Edited November 6, 2019 by honestly united 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 That depends if they are companies which are genuinely trading or if the players are drawing wages/dividends/loans from the capital Wray is providing without actually doing any work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 SRU have been fined 70 grand for the furore at the World Cup. Can see this running for a while yet.Rugby World Cup: Scottish Rugby fined £70,000 for Mark Dodson legal threat and criticism - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50332932 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hope we tell world rugby to get fucked and drag them through every court possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hope we tell world rugby to get fucked and drag them through every court possible.I like the bit where any SRU apologies have to have the wording agreed with World Rugby. That's just fucking mental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, peasy23 said: 27 minutes ago, GAD said: Hope we tell world rugby to get fucked and drag them through every court possible. I like the bit where any SRU apologies have to have the wording agreed with World Rugby. That's just fucking mental. It's pathetic. We obviously embarrassed them, but that's because they are a fucking shambles. It's a matter of principle now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 It's pathetic. We obviously embarrassed them, but that's because they are a fucking shambles. It's a matter of principle now.Scotland will shite it and back down. Tell fat Beaumont et al to f**k right off! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 It's also because we sank their stupid World League idea and cut the four Rugby Championship unions off from millions of pounds of northern hemisphere TV money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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