Allan Jacobsen Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Should relegate Racing 92 for being a bunch of useless haddies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Allan Jacobsen said: Should relegate Racing 92 for being a bunch of useless haddies Sadly, it was so typically French. As soon as the going got tough, the arse fell out of them completely. Racing were abysmal in the 2nd half. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Brendan Venter on the BBC Rugby podcast with Ugo Monye talking about the Saracens shitfest Verge of tears, seething, absolutely every P&B trope going. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Brendan Venter on the BBC Rugby podcast with Ugo Monye talking about the Saracens shitfest Verge of tears, seething, absolutely every P&B trope going.He spent most of the weekend blocking just about everybody on Twitter who has ever criticised Saracens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, peasy23 said: 5 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: Brendan Venter on the BBC Rugby podcast with Ugo Monye talking about the Saracens shitfest Verge of tears, seething, absolutely every P&B trope going. He spent most of the weekend blocking just about everybody on Twitter who has ever criticised Saracens. The best bit of that interview was when he said "Why would someone like Nigel Wray cheat?" My first thought was "Have you heard of Sir David Murray?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 What a failure Rennie has beenAs an outsider, Townsend to Scotland and Rennie to Glasgow while cutting Cotter has been a poor move for both SRU controlled teams. Still at least Dodson is getting well paid for those two teams going backwards... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I don't think you can say Glasgow have gone backwards. Europe is about the same as under GT and they never seem to get lucky with the group. In the Pro 14 Leinster have improved massively which distorts things. The bigger issue is star players leaving and core squad members getting too old and not being replaced but that's not down to Rennie. As for Scotland there isn't much difference between Cotter and Townsend in terms of results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I don't think you can say Glasgow have gone backwards. Europe is about the same as under GT and they never seem to get lucky with the group. In the Pro 14 Leinster have improved massively which distorts things. The bigger issue is star players leaving and core squad members getting too old and not being replaced but that's not down to Rennie. As for Scotland there isn't much difference between Cotter and Townsend in terms of results. Didn't get lucky in group, are you mad. Their group was very manageable.Glasgow have clearly gone backwards, you can see that within the Scottish context. It could be argued that Edinburgh are now the best team. Yes, Edinburgh have progressed but in no way to the extent that Glasgow haven't shown any regression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Anyone that says Glasgow and Scotland haven't regressed are nuts. Dodson has done very well though. Looks like he's taken spare cash left by players moving on from Glasgow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: 46 minutes ago, Stevieda said: Anyone that says Glasgow and Scotland haven't regressed are nuts. Dodson has done very well though. Looks like he's taken spare cash left by players moving on from Glasgow. I agree about Dodson but regressed from what. Under Cotter we got skelped in Dublin and Twickenham and the RWC match against South Africa wasn't any more competitive than the Ireland game. All that has really changed are expectations. For Glasgow the team that lost the final last season are on a par at least with the title winning team. The standard across the whole league has lifted but Leinster are well ahead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Detournement said: I agree about Dodson but regressed from what. Under Cotter we got skelped in Dublin and Twickenham and the RWC match against South Africa wasn't any more competitive than the Ireland game. All that has really changed are expectations. For Glasgow the team that lost the final last season are on a par at least with the title winning team. The standard across the whole league has lifted but Leinster are well ahead. I also think the new conference system distorts the league as well. I've got no doubt Glasgows conference is significantly stronger than the other one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, GAD said: I also think the new conference system distorts the league as well. I've got no doubt Glasgows conference is significantly stronger than the other one. This. Also I think Glasgow on the player front have regressed but Rennie has largely managed to keep the results fairly similar. This season has been bad, but World Cup and a manager leaving often does that. Should have done better in Europe, but we did get to the final last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I agree about Dodson but regressed from what. Under Cotter we got skelped in Dublin and Twickenham and the RWC match against South Africa wasn't any more competitive than the Ireland game. All that has really changed are expectations. For Glasgow the team that lost the final last season are on a par at least with the title winning team. The standard across the whole league has lifted but Leinster are well ahead. We were starting from a very low ebb. Glasgow when compared have clearly regressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) If Glasgow hadn't regressed at least a bit after losing Russell and then Hogg that would have been remarkable Any successful team is going to attract interest in the players that brought that success. So their club is going to lose some of those players and will have to use more budget to keep others. Which should be a natural balancing factor making it harder for any team that finds itself on top to keep hold of that position (unless you're Saracens). Edited January 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: 4 hours ago, Detournement said: I agree about Dodson but regressed from what. Under Cotter we got skelped in Dublin and Twickenham and the RWC match against South Africa wasn't any more competitive than the Ireland game. All that has really changed are expectations. For Glasgow the team that lost the final last season are on a par at least with the title winning team. The standard across the whole league has lifted but Leinster are well ahead. We were starting from a very low ebb. Glasgow when compared have clearly regressed. Again I don't see it. If they don't make the playoffs this year it'll be because of the RWC, Leinster being dominant, Cheetahs being shit hot at home and Ulster improving massively under MacFarlane with only three players at RWC. I don't see this season being remarkably different to Townsend's final two seasons. The standard of the best players is lower but both Fagersons, George Horne, Price, Hastings, Johnson and Cummins have come on massively under Rennie. There are obviously big areas for improvement but that's standard Glasgow Warriors not regression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think Glasgow peaked with the Pro 12 win - that was a special team that just clicked, lost the final the previous year so knew whatto expect next time round. Regressed is probably harsh but fair. Harsh as we were never going to replace Russell or Hogg we also lost but have since returned Nakarawa, DTH & Nico. We were always fragile up front, but there are signs this is improving slowly. For me when Rennie came in he inherited a free flowing, run in tries from anywhere team, that lost games when they got dominated upfront. I dont see that having changed at all, in fact i think its got worse. I would have preferred to have kept the high intensity, attacking rugby, but have added a bit of steel or streetwise-ness not to do something stupid in our own 22. From the outside looking in that was what was missing and still is. From me Scotland at least are a different beast under Townsend, and very much like him as a player can either be majestic or utterly frustrating. We went i think 2 years without losing at home, a Calcutta cup win, and then a draw that have been some of hte best performances every (or the 2nd game the worst and best half of rugby ever) we've beaten everyone except NZ. But we've also been dreadfull away from home, and had a poor World Cup, so think he needs a solid 6 nations or maybe time for a change 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think people are forgetting that in Townsend's final season Glasgow went 11-11 in the league missing the playoffs and got beat by Munster twice in Europe then pumped by Saracens in the QF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Pro14 Semi finals and bottom of the group in Europe, then Pro14 Final and Euro QF in his first two seasons, then narrowly missing out on the QF in Europe with the Pro14 still to finish this season, all while having his marquee players leave and not be replaced. If that's regression, we must have been really fucking good under Townsend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Pro14 Semi finals and bottom of the group in Europe, then Pro14 Final and Euro QF in his first two seasons, then narrowly missing out on the QF in Europe with the Pro14 still to finish this season, all while having his marquee players leave and not be replaced. If that's regression, we must have been really fucking good under Townsend. Regression is measured against your competition. You know that ffs. Firstly, our main rivals Edinburgh- we have clearly regressed and secondly the pro 14 benchmark Leinster (despite what people say this is absolutely where we need to be aiming), the gap has clearly widened. I'm sure you can find some examples where teams have regressed against us but frankly who cares the 2 above are what Glasgow should be concerning themselves with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Regression is measured against your competition. You know that ffs. Firstly, our main rivals Edinburgh- we have clearly regressed and secondly the pro 14 benchmark Leinster (despite what people say this is absolutely where we need to be aiming), the gap has clearly widened. I'm sure you can find some examples where teams have regressed against us but frankly who cares the 2 above are what Glasgow should be concerning themselves with. Glasgow have been very consistent in the Pro14 and Europe despite some big losses of players, impact of the World Cup and are still a very competent side. It's fair to say we haven't hit the heights of 2014-15, and aren't as good a team as previous seasons, but hardly massive regression. I mean we only have to look back a decade to see where we were. I also think it is hard to compare to other teams. Leinster have a much larger budget and even the other Irish provinces are struggling to hold a candle to Leinster. Difficult to see Edinburgh as rivals under the central system with the SRU pulling the strings at both. Edinburgh have improved but were massively underachieving to start. Worth noting that Townsend lost 4 of his last 5 games against Edinburgh... The central system sees Glasgow lose players to Edinburgh when it suits for Scotland - Weir, Bennett, Pyrgos, Bhatti etc. With Price re-signing you wonder if Horne will be next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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