Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran/Lebanon)

[TxRover]

Best guess on the U.S. strategy now is hope the Israeli attack can render Hamas combat ineffective, have the Palestinian Authority move in and take control over Gaza again (easily possibly IF they get the money from the Arab government AND Hamas is rendered moot) and finally get Arab countries to deploy a peacekeeping force along the Gaza border. Problem is rendering Hamas combat ineffective isn’t going well and neither is arranging a peacekeeping force.

Instead, the U.S. inability to reign in Bibi will likely result in Israel back in the international sin bin (a la South Africa in the 80’s) for a while, although the spyware the Israelis produce now is too valuable to many countries for this to be a real factor. Meanwhile, a continual slow trickle of utterly despicable actions by some Israeli troops and settlers will undermine the limited moral high ground the Israelis claimed in response to the initial Hamas attack and brutality.

 

Edit: New polling shows a bigger problem. 60% of poll respondents in the West Bank want the PA dissolved, and Hamas support has tripled. Hamas has got what they wanted, an Israeli overreaction…and as a result their support has increased. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by TxRover

[Dunning1874]

Three hostages who had escaped shot dead... by the IDF. Who "mistakenly identified them as a threat."

It's almost as if they're indiscriminately firing on every single person they see regardless of whether they've been identified as a combatant or not, meaning the mass killing of civilians.

[BFTD]

16 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Three hostages who had escaped shot dead... by the IDF. Who "mistakenly identified them as a threat."

It's almost as if they're indiscriminately firing on every single person they see regardless of whether they've been identified as a combatant or not, meaning the mass killing of civilians.

Aye, I see there are reports of mass protests because it's been revealed that, out of the thousands of innocent civilians slaughtered in Gaza, three of them weren't Palestinian.

Hopefully the IDF can reveal that it was mistaken identity and they're still alive, then everyone can go back home and feel that all is well in their country again.

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Aye, I see there are reports of mass protests because it's been revealed that, out of the thousands of innocent civilians slaughtered in Gaza, three of them weren't Palestinian.

Hopefully the IDF can reveal that it was mistaken identity and they're still alive, then everyone can go back home and feel that all is well in their country again.

Before then claiming that the hostages they most definitely didn't shoot and kill were killed by Hamas and definitely not the IDF.

[BFTD]

5 minutes ago, Empty It said:

Before then claiming that the hostages they most definitely didn't shoot and kill were killed by Hamas and definitely not the IDF.

I take it there was somehow no denying that it was the IDF who were responsible - maybe stupid enough to share photos of the corpses on their social media.

[Dunning1874]

It gets worse. They were shirtless, waving a white flag and one of them was shouting in Hebrew.

The IDF's official line is that the soldiers who shot them were to blame for not following procedure, a very transparent piece of nonsense to cover the fact that they were obviously following their orders to the letter: shoot everything that moves.

That might also explain why Times of Israel are reporting that 20% of Israeli soldiers killed so far have been due to friendly fire.

They don't want to stop until every single Palestinian in Gaza is expelled or dead, and so far the cherished upholders of the Rules Based International Order are all too happy to let them carry on.

[Zetterlund]

Another unfortunate accident. The most moral army in the world just can't catch a break.

[beefybake]

2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

Three hostages who had escaped shot dead... by the IDF. Who "mistakenly identified them as a threat."

It's almost as if they're indiscriminately firing on every single person they see regardless of whether they've been identified as a combatant or not, meaning the mass killing of civilians.

An accurate summng up.

And a conclusion obvious to any sane and reasonable person.

And yet, not picked up on by media, or government representatives.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

""We were sure the unarmed civilians holding up white flags were Arabs" isn't the greatest excuse for murdering three people.

[Freedom Farter]

A reminder of the class dynamics. Vast profits are being made from the international trade of weapons which are then used to murder bin collectors and janitors.

[Freedom Farter]

More on that church where MP Layla Moran's grandmother and other family members are trying to shelter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67736723

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

19 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

""We were sure the unarmed civilians holding up white flags were Arabs" isn't the greatest excuse for murdering three people.

It's war man, you can't be too careful. Shoot first ask questions later.

[Freedom Farter]

Sunak and Starmer have finally now called for a ceasefire. Perhaps this announcement tipped the scales:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67748605

Edited December 18, 2023 by Freedom Farter

[jagfox]

 

[BFTD]

2 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

Sunak and Starmer have finally now called for a ceasefire. Perhaps this announcement tipped the scales:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67748605

Whoa, this is affecting business?

For the love of God, surely there must be some way to keep mass-murdering civilians without any change in the transfer of currency and goods.

[Freedom Farter]

Now that oil company profits are being hit causing prices to rise, coordinated action has been taken by the UK establishment today. BP made their announcement, Sunak called for a ceasefire followed by Starmer and a number of Tory MPs spoke out. Presumably, the idea was to pressure USA into movement and if so, it worked. USA has now announced it will use military force to end the Yemeni blockade. It'll be supported by UK, Bahrain, Canada, Greece, Netherlands, Norway and Seychelles. It would've been better if USA instead got Israel to stop their ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which the Yemeni blockade is in protest at, but that isn't how things work. The option that maximises military spending and arms companies' share prices is always chosen.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Freedom Farter

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[Silvio Tattiescone]

I was watching a thing about Custer today and was struck by the similarities in the US founding myth and how Israel behaves. The US stole the land of the Native Americans, committed genocide, depicted them as blood-thirsty savages (terrorists?) and aided the settlers at every turn. The US had a huge military advantage that was used to slaughter the natives whilst using the press to portray the psychopaths as national heroes.

[TxRover]

17 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

The US had has a huge military advantage that was is often used to slaughter the natives whilst using the press to portray the psychopaths as national heroes.

To be honest, not a lot has changed too often.