Freedom Farter Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) I've no idea of the religious orientation of this family but one of the girls being called Maria suggests they were possibly Christian, killed at Christmas. Foreign media can't enter Gaza due to the intensity of the bombing so there's no confirmation of these girls' deaths from BBC or the like. Various native Gazan sources have reported it, though, the networks Wafa and Quds as well as multiple independent journalists. The girls' mother, grandmother, aunt, uncle and cousins were also killed by the same airstrike. I'm entirely speculating based on a single photo but its possible this family were of reasonable wealth level by Gazan standards. Maybe the girls' father had more extensive contacts in his local area due to his higher level in the economy of that area, therefore news of the murder of his family more easily spread and made it into the media. The majority of Gazan victims we don't see or read about. I remember reading a report from a foreign journalist surveying the scene of a Gazan school that'd been bombed by Israel in 2014. They wrote how the "charred corpses of donkeys" were lying at the front gates of the playground. That's how poor many Gazans are. They don't escape the airstrikes in vehicles but on a cart pulled by donkeys. Edited December 27, 2023 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) South Africa has filed a case with the ICJ alleging genocide. The section detailing genocidal statements from Israeli politicians and the IDF is really something people should be aware of. Put it in a spoiler due to the volume of it. Spoiler Edited December 30, 2023 by Dunning1874 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Extremely horrible accounts of torture of detainees here. https://www.972mag.com/israel-torture-camp-gaza-detainees/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 A helpful reminder that 'war crimes' only count if a US' client statelet is on the receiving end, rather than perpetrating them: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/israel-murdering-palestinian-journalists-in-gaza 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 47 minutes ago, virginton said: A helpful reminder that 'war crimes' only count if a US' client statelet is on the receiving end, rather than perpetrating them: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/israel-murdering-palestinian-journalists-in-gaza Comes on the back of Lord Cameron (lol) being unsure if turning the water off and refusing the turn it back on was a war crime... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Even by the despicably low standards of the British media, it is outrageously brazen bias from the BBC & Sky to have live coverage of the Israeli submission to the ICJ's genocide hearing yesterday, having largely ignored South Africa presenting their case yesterday. Sky did offer streaming on their YouTube channel yesterday, but both have had live footage today on TV while having none yesterday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Normal democratic society with values we should all wish to protect update. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2024 at 12:56, Dunning1874 said: Normal democratic society with values we should all wish to protect update. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths Sagiv Jehezkel who plays for Antalyaspor in Turkey was detained and thereafter released pending trial after he held up his bandaged hand with the words “100 days. 7/10” written on the bandage during a goal celebration. Turkey’s minister said an investigation has been launched due to the players “ugly action supporting Israel’s massacre in Gazza” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Didn't I read there's a Celtic player wanting away because of the Green Brigade's support of Gaza? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 hours ago, Shadow Play said: Sagiv Jehezkel who plays for Antalyaspor in Turkey was detained and thereafter released pending trial after he held up his bandaged hand with the words “100 days. 7/10” written on the bandage during a goal celebration. Turkey’s minister said an investigation has been launched due to the players “ugly action supporting Israel’s massacre in Gazza” He's effectively been deported, which saves everyone what would have been a ridiculous trial. Turkey love making gestures (e.g. boycotting Ariel due to its perceived Jewishness) yet are absolutely fine with providing Israel with 40% of its oil. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 https://archive.ph/Iczto Many family members of Israeli captives in Gaza slain by the IDF believe the Hannibal Directive (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive) has been implemented. Maayan Sherman is only the latest to reach this conclusion over her son's death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68025945 Israel has no intention of any peaceful solution, never has and likely never will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68025945 Israel has no intention of any peaceful solution, never has and likely never will. Israel has had political leaders who have attempted - and indeed were murdered - for pursuing a meaningful attempt at a peaceful solution. Its current leadership does not define its politics indefinitely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, virginton said: Israel has had political leaders who have attempted - and indeed were murdered - for pursuing a meaningful attempt at a peaceful solution. Its current leadership does not define its politics indefinitely. I assume that’s Rabin you’re talking about. That would be the same Rabin who ordered IDF troops to break the bones of unarmed Palestinian protesters when he was defence minister. Not such a pacifist after all. That’s not to mention that the Oslo accords were completely in Israel’s favour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 It’ll be an excellent day when that c**t Netanyahu dies. River to the sea is anti semitic when anyone else says it but completely fine for Zionist’s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Macroeconomic arrangements lock all this in place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 19 hours ago, MazzyStar said: I assume that’s Rabin you’re talking about. That would be the same Rabin who ordered IDF troops to break the bones of unarmed Palestinian protesters when he was defence minister. Not such a pacifist after all. That’s not to mention that the Oslo accords were completely in Israel’s favour. At the root of all this is whether the majority of Israeli citizens accept the prospect of a 2 state solution. If they don't , then the 'Palestinian problem' does not exist. The various Western powers then have to publically acknowledge that what this is is the 'Israel problem'. At least some of the hypocrisy currently on display will dissipate. Edited January 19 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The first step is for Israel to define where its border are, or more accurately, where is believes its border are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 South Africa was the last major Global South nation to decolonise, only doing so in 1994 and with Mandela remaining on the US terrorism list until 2008. So it makes sense they're who has taken Israel to the ICJ. South Africa's own experience of colonial brutality was recent enough that the strength of feeling needed to act is still there. India were once strong supporters of the Palestinians but that time has passed as it's now three quarters of a century since India decolonised. There's no longer a shared struggle there. Today, the Palestinian cause runs counter to the interests of the now well-entrenched Indian elite. As Arundhati Roy has pointed out, India even colonises itself nowadays. Indigenous people who've been living on land for millennia are violently booted off it to make way for mining companies to plunder it. Then there's China which admirably resists US economic imposition within its own borders yet shows no international solidarity along those lines. The Chinese elite's repression of sections of their own population have actually led them to find a friend in Israel (https://jacobin.com/2023/10/china-israel-repression-military-trade-palestine-technology). South Africa does now have its own elite but each of them were also under the colonial boot until 1994, so even they still have that memory. Which is not the case for the Indian or Chinese elite, or any of the ruling classes in the various Arab monarchies and dictatorships, despite the overwhelming support for the Palestinians among their populations. This means the Palestinians have missed the boat. The global decolonisation wave was last century. Now the formerly colonised nations have all developed their own elites. Those elites are fully in the pockets of global capital and global capital backs Israeli expansion to the hilt. It's not surprising the only militant action in support of the Palestinians is coming from a group in Yemen who're mostly shut out of the global economy. They've no stake in the system so nothing to lose in going against it. Anyway, credit to the South African people. Also to the Bolivians, Colombians, Mexicans and Chileans. They've managed to get enough of a democratic foothold in their societies to force their will on this issue. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Whilst I do firmly believe the war should stop ASAP, I do wonder: Does anyone else feel like *these* people in the Western Pro-Palestine camp are just total oddballs? The Palestine thing is obviously utterly awful and absolutely shouldn't be happening, but I don't think my life should be put on pause for it. 15k likes is a lot for such an insane idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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