Shotgun Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, SweeperDee said: Imagine looking to fairytales to try and enforce your nations’ right to expand its’ borders. I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shotgun said: I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. In some places they might let you take it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shotgun said: I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. I wonder if you could plead religious discrimination when they say no, and when the police turn up? Edited October 8, 2023 by SweeperDee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Very balanced report from MSNBC explaining Netanyahu’s role in the latest violence. https://www.msnbc.com/american-voices/watch/how-israel-s-far-right-government-fueled-tensions-with-hamas-194667077813 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Some reports that Iran/ Russia have been behind/ assisting Hamas leading to this offensive. You can assume there is a geopolitical influence behind the current events or at least some sides trying to make that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, jagfox said: Some reports that Iran/ Russia have been behind/ assisting Hamas leading to this offensive. You can assume there is a geopolitical influence behind the current events or at least some sides trying to make that point. Russia will definitely be wanting to further their rousing “special military operation” successes by helping invade *checks notes*, the Holy Land. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Russia will definitely be wanting to further their rousing “special military operation” successes by helping invade *checks notes*, the Holy Land. I think it is more other parties accusing Iran/ Russia of using their influence to destabilise the area, amongst others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just now, jagfox said: I think it is more other parties accusing Iran/ Russia of using their influence to destabilise the area, amongst others. Oh absolutely. That message has been on full send over the past few days/years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 If in doubt blame it on Russia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. Fucking bold, but funnily enough, absolutely right. Broken clock, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, invergowrie arab said: I seem to be getting a lot of Rachel Riley on my time line. A walking example of why nobody should be able to graduate without passing Humanities modules She posted about seeing people celebrating and waving Palestine flags in London but had to shoehorn in the fact she was out for baklava with her Ukrainian friends as if it was a significant detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, throbber said: She posted about seeing people celebrating and waving Palestine flags in London but had to shoehorn in the fact she was out for baklava with her Ukrainian friends as if it was a significant detail. Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. The latest attacks from Hamas against civilians is not legitimate though, now they are at war perfectly acceptable for them to be killing soldiers. Both sides of this conflict have for a very long time been killing civilians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. Also galling that Zelenskyy is supporting Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. I'm no pro-Russia bot but I agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 The British Board of Deputies and other such organisations have always been quick to attack people who claim non-Israeli Jews have more loyalty to Israel than their countries of birth. Yet the family of a young, British Israeli soldier have just substantiated such a claim. His brother Eliot Young told Sky News: "Nathanel always had strong Jewish pride. From a young age he has always wanted to play an important role in defending his country - it's something he talked about a lot." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyBlue Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I mean Rachel Riley basically has said she called the police to speak to them because she saw people dancing with a flag. She's equated this to a threat to her based on religion but she hasn't demonstrated that any bad behaviour was carried out only that they 'appeared to be celebrating' and the decided it was driven by antisemitism. Maybe they are antisemites who were celebrating but none of that has been established but the press has picked it up and ran with it ans Braverman is now posturing like usual. Imagine Riley was Muslim and the people had an Israeli flag. I think the reaction would be different and that to me lies at the heart of what irritates me so much about this conflict. The behaviours are not judged on the merit of whether or not they are bad or morally wrong but instead are first filtered through prejudices based on who is carrying them out. It's unconstructive and it further entrenches the hatred that has fueled this conflict for decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Also galling that Zelenskyy is supporting Israel. That’s simple geopolitics. ‘Murica and NATO is behind Israel, therefore Ukraine is so as to not give any excuses to delay/reduce aid. Additionally, Iran supports Hamas and Russia, and its Iranian drones that Ukraine is blasting out of the sky daily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, 101 said: The latest attacks from Hamas against civilians is not legitimate though, now they are at war perfectly acceptable for them to be killing soldiers. Both sides of this conflict have for a very long time been killing civilians. I’m not suggesting that the wanton killing of civilians by Hamas is anything other than horrific, but it’s quite telling that certain people use this as an example of why the Palestinians are evil and that Israel should be given any support necessary yet turn a blind eye when the IDF use journalists or Palestinian kids as target practice. There is a lot of hypocrisy and a massive double standard when it comes to attitudes around violence in this particular conflict. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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