Fullerene Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, ClydeTon said: The Yanks would have just bombed the life out of Japan - in much the same way they tried in Germany with Hamburg, Dresden, etc. They'd have achieved the effect the A-Bombs had, just using a barrage of conventional bombs, and/or a (greater) firebombing campaign. It's widely belived that Truman dropped the bomb to stick the fear into both Japan and the Soviets, and to show America's newly discovered power. When Enola Gay approached Hiroshima, the Japanese did not bother sending up anything to intercept it. What harm could one plane do? Until then the Japanese were prepared for a fight to the death. What was the point when tens of thousands on the ground were killed but not a single person on the plane was harmed? Ultimately the two bombs persuaded a supposedly powerless emperor it was time to end the war before the next one landed on his house. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 They’re still giving out the purple hearts minted in 1945 in anticipation of an invasion of the Japanese home islands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 On the brilliant World at War documentary they said they Japanese head yins had got the public into such a state of panic about what the yanks would do to the population that they would have fought to the death. It even showed woman throwing themselves of cliffs on Okinawa rather than be brutalized by the invaders. https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/japanese-mass-suicides/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 It is very far from settled, and over time has been considered by historians less and less likely, that Japanese leadership would have kept fighting and forced a costly invasion of the home islands in the situation they were in prior to the atomic attacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, SH Panda said: There's evidence the Japanese were more turned by Russia joining the war than they were by the nuclear attacks which increasingly look unecessary. Well, they started it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: When Enola Gay approached Hiroshima, the Japanese did not bother sending up anything to intercept it. What harm could one plane do? Until then the Japanese were prepared for a fight to the death. What was the point when tens of thousands on the ground were killed but not a single person on the plane was harmed? Ultimately the two bombs persuaded a supposedly powerless emperor it was time to end the war before the next one landed on his house. The Japanese were totally unaware that plane was even loaded, let alone with the type of bomb it had. A one-plane flyover was so rare they thought it was either lost or just moving to another base/carrier. Japan was, yes, prepared for a fight to the death, and the bombs made Hirohito, out of fear, surrender. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: You've picked up this talking point from the Israeli spokesmen whose TV interviews you've listened to. It was probably Naftali Bennett you watched/heard as he's yelled about Dresden in multiple interviews now. It's a completely shit point and literal war propaganda. Also, just to point out, Naftali Bennett had a more active role in war crimes than most Israeli politicians with the 1996 Qana massacre. So, you know, a really top guy whose opinions should be listened to uncritically. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/ The October Declaration. Look at that list of signatories. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Rachel Riley, Andrew Neil, Rod Liddle, Tom Holland, Julia Dunning-Kruger, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, Brendan O'Neil, Darren Grimes, Maya Forstater, Graham Linehan, Matt Goodwin, Richard Dearlove, Toby Young. All your favourites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/ The October Declaration. Look at that list of signatories. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Rachel Riley, Andrew Neil, Rod Liddle, Tom Holland, Julia Dunning-Kruger, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, Brendan O'Neil, Darren Grimes, Maya Forstater, Graham Linehan, Matt Goodwin, Richard Dearlove, Toby Young. All your favourites. For anyone else wondering, that's Tom Holland the author. Spiderman is yet to declare. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Since we’re making comparisons where do the denizens of P&B stand on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Well the people have spoken and the general consensus seems to be it was justified because. It brings to mind the quote about history being written by the victors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/ The October Declaration. Look at that list of signatories. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Rachel Riley, Andrew Neil, Rod Liddle, Tom Holland, Julia Dunning-Kruger, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, Brendan O'Neil, Darren Grimes, Maya Forstater, Graham Linehan, Matt Goodwin, Richard Dearlove, Toby Young. All your favourites. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, coprolite said: For anyone else wondering, that's Tom Holland the author. Spiderman is yet to declare. This seems oddly appropriate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 hours ago, ForzaViola said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67190812 Braverman demanding answers from the Met on pro-Palestinian protests whilst her government stands in "lock step" with Israel's relentless bombing of civilians and almost daily war crimes. What a country. Probably didn't pick folk up as there aren't any prisons left to put them in if found guilty. Also it's remarkable that the journalists reporting on her "crack down of law breaking" don't make it clear that the Home Secretary herself has broken the law several times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Donathan said: Purely out of interest, what were the general public attitudes in the UK towards the carpet bombing of Dresden and other German cities? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The 3 D's of avoiding accountability... Deny, Diminish, Divert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just tried to go on the Labour Friends of Palestine website. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/ The October Declaration. Look at that list of signatories. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Rachel Riley, Andrew Neil, Rod Liddle, Tom Holland, Julia Dunning-Kruger, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, Brendan O'Neil, Darren Grimes, Maya Forstater, Graham Linehan, Matt Goodwin, Richard Dearlove, Toby Young. All your favourites. That reads like a who’s who of people you wouldn’t want to share a lift with. Sorry to see Richard Dawkins getting involved. Rees-Mogg described as ‘MP and broadcaster’. Spouting pish on GB News doesn’t make you a broadcaster Jake. Edited October 23, 2023 by Granny Danger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/ The October Declaration. Look at that list of signatories. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Rachel Riley, Andrew Neil, Rod Liddle, Tom Holland, Julia Dunning-Kruger, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, Brendan O'Neil, Darren Grimes, Maya Forstater, Graham Linehan, Matt Goodwin, Richard Dearlove, Toby Young. All your favourites. Arlene Foster, Julia Heartless Brewer, Eric Pickles, Andrea Jenkyns and Julie Burchill. This is got to be the c***s covenant they've all signed up to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: That reads like a who’s who of people you wouldn’t want to share a lift with. Sorry to see Richard Dawkins getting involved. He’s always been a complete fucking c**t 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: He’s always been a complete fucking c**t I enjoyed The God Delusion, though some of it went over my head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) A real surprise to see that fat piece of shit Foulkes on the list of names. I imagine he gets a hard on imagining the UK Government treating the Jocks in the same way Israel treats the Palestinians. Edited October 23, 2023 by Sherrif John Bunnell 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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