parsforlife Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Israel is bombing Gaza because Hamas keeps launching rockets at Israel. I'm not saying Hamas and IS are the same but they are on the same scale. They are both jihadist Muslim groups looking to establish countries run by their interpretations of shariah law. IS might be more extreme in their methods but that doesn't mean they don't have the same goals and objectives and it doesn't mean they can't work together. Why do you think so few arab countries are currently supporting Hamas? They are all terrified of extremist Islam and don't want to support any form of it. Exactly IS are not the same as hamas, and hamas want it to remain that way, therefore any tie in is highly unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Exactly IS are not the same as hamas, and hamas want it to remain that way, therefore any tie in is highly unlikely. They're not exactly like them currently but I don't know how you can say they want to keep it that way. Masked Hamas gunmen have executed 20+ "collaborators" on the streets of Gaza in the last few days. http://online.wsj.com/articles/hamas-kills-18-alleged-collaborators-1408715295 It's not exactly the actions of a group who are becoming less radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 They're not exactly like them currently but I don't know how you can say they want to keep it that way. Masked Hamas gunmen have executed 20+ "collaborators" on the streets of Gaza in the last few days. http://online.wsj.com/articles/hamas-kills-18-alleged-collaborators-1408715295 It's not exactly the actions of a group who are becoming less radical. Erm im using the articles you linked to earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Palestinians play rubble bucket challenge (with whats left of their street) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Exchange of Rocket fire between Lebanon and Israel now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Exchange of Rocket fire between Lebanon and Israel now! Hezbollah? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Hezbollah? Bless you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 They actually said they were going to arm the West Bank. http://www.firstpost.com/world/gaza-live-we-will-arm-palestine-says-iran-as-conflict-spirals-1671989.html Not like the King give inaccurate information on this thread ^^^^from the guy who said 800'000 Palestinians left their land of their own free will and weren't ethnically cleansed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookies Love Me Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hezbollah? Bless you B*ast*rd. People looking at me strangly in the office 'cause I just burst out laughing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 ^^^^from the guy who said 800'000 Palestinians left their land of their own free will and weren't ethnically cleansed. Probably because it's not a fact. Some anti-Israel activists and historians have claimed it is true but many more people from a much more diverse range of opinion either believe it is false or not proven. At best it is a theory at worst it is just hyperbolic nonsense (of course anti-Israel activists and anti-Semites aren't known for that). 800,000 Arabs left Israel during the war of 1948. Civilians tend to leave places during wars. There were massacres and expulsions on both sides but no one can know how many Arabs were expelled and how many chose to leave because of war, because they didn't want to live in a Jewish state or were told to by their own leaders. It would make sense for these countries to give citizenship to these refugees who can't return home (like Israel did with the 800,000 Jews who fled Arab countries) but these countries who started the war which caused the Palestinian people to leave their homes gave them no citizenship and put many of them in refugee camps where they have lived for 70 years. Israel did agree to a UN proposal which would grant 270,000 residents and refugees of the Gaza Strip Israeli citizenship if Egypt gave them the territory. They later agreed to a plan which would allow 100,000 Palestinian refugees to return but both of these were rejected by Arab leaders. But of course, in your eyes, the blame always lies with Israel and the Jews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hamas's true objective in Operation Protective Edge - and negotiations that may follow - is in "liberating" Jerusalem from the Jews, a Hamas spokesman stated earlier this week. "The time has come for us to say that the true war is not aimed at opening border crossings," Sami Abu Zuhri said. "Our true war is aimed at the liberation of Jerusalem, Allah willing." His words were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. He then chanted "Khaybar, Khaybar al Yahood," an Arabic phrase meaning that Allah will return to expel (or kill) the Jews. Khaybar was a Jewish village north of Medina, Saudi Arabia, which was conquered by Islamists in 629 CE. Crowds waving Hamas flags cheered him on. "The army of Mohammed has begun its return," he continued. "Resistance, resistance. . .we are all with the resistance." "The war will continue," Abu Zuhri affirmed. "However, it is not only the blockade which is rejected by our people. Our people refuses to accept the defiling of the land by the occupier." "Therefore, as of today, the resistance is not preparing for the opening of a border crossing here or there, but rather, for the liberation of our Palestinian land," he continued. "This is the truth that Netanyahu should understand." "We have become more resolute to wage the war of liberation, in order to end the settlements and Judaization, and in order to liberate our land and holy places." The rallying cry emerges amid rampant rumors that Netanyahu is weighing a ceasefire, which could extend indefinitely and acquiesce to several of Hamas's unprecedented demands, including a seaport and an airport. Accusations of "Judaizing" Israel and Jerusalem are common amongst the Muslim world, despite the fact that Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran and that, according to Middle Eastern Studies scholars, Mohammed himself stated that the Land of Israel is "destined for the Jews." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184433#.U_xzzPldUWJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If P&B was around during the apartheid regime we would undoubtedly see the apologists for white supremacy arguing similar positions to the pro Zionists. Who knows, they may even be the same posters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yawn. And if we wind back I suspect some here would be on Stalin's side with his massacres of Jews and various genocides. All part of the good socialist band of brothers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If P&B was around during the apartheid regime we would undoubtedly see the apologists for white supremacy arguing similar positions to the pro Zionists. Who knows, they may even be the same posters. Yes, and backing the retention of the Orange state in Northern Ireland, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, General Franco in Spain, Professor Snape at Hogwarts & any other pantomime baddie you wish to throw in the mix. Knee jerk assuming someone who holds an opinion on a matter you dislike intensely automatically means they will be in favour of any number of pet bête noires is silly at best, downright childish at worst. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes, and backing the retention of the Orange state in Northern Ireland, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, General Franco in Spain, Professor Snape at Hogwarts & any other pantomime baddie you wish to throw in the mix. Knee jerk assuming someone who holds an opinion on a matter you dislike intensely automatically means they will be in favour of any number of pet bête noires is silly at best, downright childish at worst. actually burst out laughing at the professor snape part 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Looks like it will be EasyJet from now on for all BDS supporters http://www.haaretz.com/travel-in-israel/travel-news/1.612400 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If P&B was around during the apartheid regime we would undoubtedly see the apologists for white supremacy arguing similar positions to the pro Zionists. Who knows, they may even be the same posters. I can just see Adam telling us the blacks left their land willingly and the whites just want peace and their white only immigration policy isnt racists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I can just see Adam telling us the blacks left their land willingly and the whites just want peace and their white only immigration policy isnt racists. I wasn't alive during apartheid so don't have a clue about it m8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 After weeks of IDF attacks, which in many cases have led to a breakdown in Hamas’s chain of command, there is growing skepticism in Hamas about whether the fighting continues to be worthwhile. As Operation Protective Edge enters its eighth week on Tuesday, Hamas has taken a severe military and morale blow, but its military arm is preparing for another round of fighting believing the price its people are paying is tolerable as long as its goals are achieved. This is the assessment of senior Israeli security officials who nevertheless say there is growing skepticism among Hamas operatives about whether the fighting continues to be worthwhile considering the number of Hamas fighters who have been killed, the destruction of key military installations, the hit on the rocket manufacturing capabilities, and the destruction caused to the terror tunnels, which Hamas viewed as its “Day of Judgement” weapon. According to these assessments, in some cases, mid-level commanders – concerned that their homes would be destroyed – preferred to flee with their families from the areas of fighting. As a result, those fighters who remained often felt abandoned and lost the will to continue to fight.According to these assessments, the IDF attacks in Gaza -- including damage to the homes of senior Hamas commanders -- the killing of commanders as well as damage done to the more junior military level led in many instances to a breakdown in Hamas’s chain of command, and even the abandonment of the rank and file on the battlefield. In other cases, according to the assessment, some of the Hamas fighters felt their superiors completely abandoned them. One instance was reported where 14 Hamas fighters were trapped for 20 days in a tunnel, surviving only on water and dates – with no effort by their commanders to rescue them. Some of the men starved to death. According to information obtained by the security services, immediately after the kidnapping of the three Israeli youths in Gush Etzion in mid-June, various Hamas commanders went underground, making it impossible to consult with them. While there was dissatisfaction toward the commanders from the rank-and-file, there was also often dissatisfaction from the commanders toward the fighters, especially in the eastern sector of Gaza where there was displeasure among the senior ranks to the resistance put up against the IDF ground incursion. According to these assessments, the intensity of the Israeli attacks, the damage down to the commanders, the intelligence and the destruction of the tunnels surprised Hamas officials, some of whom did not believe that Israel was prepared to make a ground incursion into Gaza. The targeted assassinations and the intelligence information regarding the tunnels created a great deal of suspicion of people collaborating with Israel, and this suspicion led often to abandoning the use of advanced technological equipment, which made management of the fighting for Hamas's top brass even more difficult. According to the assessments, the prevailing mood in the street is one of bitterness and anger toward Hamas, whose leaders were among the first to hide and left the civilians to fend for themselves. In one instance, women at Shifa Hospital beat up Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri and prevented him from speaking, as they shouted at him that while their sons were killed and homes were bombed, he was hiding in the hospital. Hamas's grave condition, and its need to motivate its people, led to a situation where it confiscated aid allowed into the Strip and passed it over to its own people, at the expense of others. Meanwhile, numerous Hamas activists have been arrested and interrogated over the past seven weeks, and described the degree to which mosques and hospitals were used as staging grounds and hiding places, and where areas near pre-schools were commonly used as starting points for tunnels and as hiding places for arms. Among the prominent examples: Abd al-Rahman Balousha, from Khan Yunis, said that the Alsafa and Alabra mosques there serve as a staging ground for Hamas terrorists. Muhammad Ramadan from Khan Yunis said his anti-tank weapons training took place in a hall located under the Alshafi mosque in Khan Yunis. He added that the hall serves as an Izzadin Al-Kassam Brigades training and instruction facility, and is closed to non-military personnel. Muhammad Alqadra, from Khan Yunis, said “everyone knows that Hamas leaders are hiding in hospitals,” where they have armed bodyguards, visible to all, usually wearing police uniforms. He estimated that Hamas head Ismail Haniyeh was hiding in Shifa hospital in Gaza, apparently in an area not accessible to citizens, and accompanied by security guards in civilian clothes. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Security-officials-paint-picture-of-Gaza-street-seething-and-Hamas-in-disarray-372337 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I wasn't alive during apartheid so don't have a clue about it m8 what your excuse for this one then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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