graeme_p

Excellent. I hope many other fans are making their feelings known to their Chairmen. We don't support a business we support a football club who compete with others. All our clubs have been disadvantaged by the cheating of Rangers. The ethos of fair play must be put ahead short sighted business decisions.

one point that the arab trust seem to have missed is that without rangers they could vote for a more equal distribution of central income. so they will get a bigger slice of a smaller cake.

The whole thing about Doncaster saying that Rangers are not a special case worries me. I think he is lining the SPL up to say well "Rangers are not special, Motherwell were only given X punishment for going into Admin Rangers will get the same. Oh and before I forget we view a Newco as the same as CVA so therefore no more punishment is needed" I hope I am wrong but Doncaster is a slippery customer.

The bit about Greig and Mclelland is priceless. Do these idiots not realise that if you are a director of a company you actually have responsibilities. It is s job. They as board members had a duty to disclose what was going on and they chose not to.

on the whole lloyds ticketus thing. Someone needs to ask if the other directors fulfilled their duties. I am no expert but as far as i can recall one of the rangers directors was put on the board by lloyds. As a rangers director he has a duty to that company. Did he fulfill that duty when paying off the lloyds debt and leavjng rangers without working capital? I would have thought this was a conflict of interests at very least.

A quick question/aside for us diddy fans. Once this is over and Rangers are hopefully killed off. How many people do you know (friends, acquaintances, workmates or drinking mates) who are going to look mighty silly and be ripe for ripping the p**h out of for sporting tattoos of the gers? I am thinking about 20 at the moment. I cant fooking wait.

I assume Lennon meant "there is no show without punch". A refenrence to to inhereint linking of Rangers and Celtic as Punch and Judy. It just goes to show what a complete tool he is if he can't even get that right. Apologies if that has been pointed out already. I am still catching up.

this is the best thread ever. i had resisted ever updating to a smart phone because my old one cost me £3 per month. This thread alone is worth every extra penny. I honestly never knew some people (on rm) could be so thick or just simply dillusional. Every director who failed in their duty of care to rangets us responsible, Everyone behind the scenes that new paye and vat was going unpaid is responsible. when if ever will the orcs realise they are partly responsible for not holding the club to account for years of excess. Good riddance to these cheating sh*ts soon. fingers crossed.

They may well have done but the selling club can't force a player to sign for the club making the highest bid. Some players seem to develop blinkers once Rangers or Celtic are mentioned. Look how close Goodwillie was to going to Rangers for a fraction of what Blackburn eventually paid.

rangers (and celtic) regularly under pay for players from scottish clubs. most of these players like naismith could have went for the same or more money to the championship or epl. some choose to stay in scotland and the selling club gets a lower fee.

Is there not a further elephant in the european room. Is there not a case in turkey where one team is getting pursued for loss of earnings by an other team because they were found guilty of match fixing. if a cva is agreed would it not leave the ongoing business open to a similar legal challenge?

Maybe I have missed it (it is hard to keep up with this thread) but has Mr McCoist demanded that the name of the 20 investors be made public yet? All in the interests of transparency of course.

Here's a radical idea. Instead of signing a Baird like energetic forward who will drop deep, go wide, chase balls and then try to make things happen for the other 1 forward left in the danger area. How about we sign an attacking midfielder with pace to do this. How about not having slow ponderous, defensive deep sitting midfielders who take ages to get upfield and support an attack. We are crying out for pace and energy in midfield. We don't need an other striker who carries the slow lazy plodders we have at the moment No I do not mean Messi either. A Youth player or someone from the lower divisions or juniors would do. Just have pace and presence. Look at the difference J Walker made this year. He was not always brilliant but he had pace and confidence and helped carry the ball forward.

I am more annoyed about Walls being released than Baird leaving. Yet again 12 months ago this young guy was good enough to give a full time pro contract to. He had 20 minutes (?) of first team action this season. He could not get a chance because McGlynn filled our midfield with loanees from Hearts and would not drop Walker or Hamill when they were rubbish. Now we are letting him go. Why do we do this? We have paid out a wage all season for a player who has hardly featured, who the manager obviously did not rate (or he would have been given a chance) and we are not going to make any return for years of investment. I can appreciate other players like Baird, Dyer, possibly Davo etc moving on. Why do we waste wage after wage year after year offering youngsters contracts for them never to get a chance then free them. If they ain't good enough don't give them a pro contract. If they are good enough for a pro contract then use them in matches. Don't give them pro contracts have them sidelined and then free them!

If the sfa report is acted upon by the authorities things could get even worse. It was not just the directors who failed to report that whyte had deliberately instructed the club not to pay paye or vat. the office staff, admin staff and senior operational staff such as the payroll manager and hr manager knew what was going on. none of them spoke up. thats why the club as a whole needs punished.

Just stumbled across a site called rangersrumours. Big ad on the front page gor debt advisors under the banner write off your debt. Brilliant

Can anyone tell me when the sfa appeal against the signing sanctions takes place?

When will the appeal against the SFA sanctions be heard? Is it possible that the SPL are waiting for these to be upheld so that they can shirk voting on newco punishment. If Rangers are hit with a signing embargo etc then the SPL can say "Well they have been punished" and we can turn a blind eye and keep living off their rancid scraps. The whole SPL Board/company/management set up is lacking morals, guts, the ability to actually run a business or write a rule book. They are a complete joke.

It gives us the fans time to put more pressure on the Chairmen. Write to your club stating that you won't renew your season ticket until this matter is resolved and that you are satisfied your club has voted (if they get the chance) for sporting integrity over dirty cash. Chairmen know they need the cash from season ticket sales to finance clubs over the summer. This is now beyond a joke and showing the SPL up yet again as a bunch of gutless idiots.

The TV money should be largely irrelevant in the decision being taken. The TV deal is not huge but it is significant. However look at the championship and lower leagues in England now. Not so long ago when ITV digital folded chairmen all over the country were predicting armageddon. There were some casualties and some hardship but once a new level was established then things pretty much returned to normal. Scotland would be no different.

The fact is because the product is so poor my son (despite my best efforts) has very little desire to be at the Rovers. The shares were a present for him to try and encourage him to be part of the club for the future. They will never have any real value but it would have given him something tangible to hang on the wall and say "thats my club", "I am a part of that". Each Saturday he is getting more miserable and more frustrated. He barely enjoys the games. Therefore I am not sure he would even take any pride in this as a present anymore. As I said on FT here are a list of questions I have had from him since the Falkirk away game. "why do they not learn from last weeks mistakes?" "How will we score with no-one in the box?" "Don't the player realise Baird is not tall enough to get that ball" "Why do the players walk about and not run like the other team" admittedly that was before the Hearts players arrived. "If we have so many defenders how come none of them get the ball" first half against livi when they flashed a free header wide. I can see that he is losing interest. There will be many more people just the same. If the board/players/management don't turn things round then we will be losing fans and future fans possibly for years to come.

That will be me then! Yes I was going to buy £500 of shares for my son's Christmas. I have had a few e-mail exchanges with people on the Board about how to register them (given that he is under 16) and how it would work with the benefits. I am already a shareholder and have put money into the club each and every year for the last 5 years through player sponsorship, match sponsorship and just general donations. If you want to cherry pick sound bites and make sweeping assumptions about people at least get your facts right. As I said on fantalk it was a present for my son. He is so dis-heartened with our current performances it would hardly be a welcome present any more. So no I won't be investing and the reason is pruley that the utter dross being served up has all but put my son off going with me each weekend.

I am not so sure McGlynn worked wonders last season. Last season the football was still dire at times but we had a stand out in Tade. Tade made much of the long useless punts from defence into dangerous balls. We are still playing aimless long punts because the style has not changed. Blame the manager for this. The budget cuts are a red- herring as I have said before. We have only lost: Campbell (who played the just over half of last season, Our record was worse with him in the team than out of it) Wilson possibly we are missing him but Donaldson is a proving a worthy replacement Simmon I don't think Simmons is a great loss and is no better than a journey-man Tade is proving irreplaceable. McGlynn could have brought in replacements for these players and saved elsewhere. He chose not to. Keep in mind we still have Walls, Main, Wilson, Low , Calachan, Laidlaw and Malcom in our first team squad. We still have a squad of 22 players and 5 coaches. The trouble is that 4 or 5 of these players have no chance of getting a game because McGlynn won't trust them. Add to that the cameo appearances by Thomson and Reynolds and you can see the problem is that the team is stale,positions are not under threat and the fight and urgency has been lost. If we seen some of these young players getting a chance maybe just maybe fans would have a wee bit more positivity, patience and passion for the team which would transmit to the players. I am no supporter of the Board by any means by this seasons mess is down to the Manager AND his management team.

1) The full time part time debate is a bit of a financial red herring. Having a full time squad means you don't have to pay them travelling expenses to players or pay for out of hours training facilities. Overall the net cost is about the same usually. 2) We have the squad the manager wanted. We have a squad most of the fans were happy with before the season started. What we do not have is that squad performing anything like what it should do. Lets keep in mind we also have a 5 man backroom staff. No other club in the 1st division has this overhead. Between the 5 of them we seem to be unable to motivate the players. 3) The problem may well be the tactics. teams know how to play us at home. They know how to play us at home because we never change how we play at home. Almost everyone that watches us knows that the way we set the team up means that we struggle to break down teams. This may be radical but maybe the manager should change the tactics! 4) We never give young players a chance. We can see the midfield is slow to support and pretty immobile most weeks. Drop the dead wood and bring in the youngsters. At least their pace and enthusiasm would provide lift. Reece has proved that the youngsters can make an impact. He is better than Wilson was last season. I have no doubt at all though if Wilson had accepted a new contract Reece would never have got a chance. I fear some of our other players are in the same boat because McGlynn won't drop his midfield favourites.

Absolutely not! As far as I recall most fans would accept us being a well managed financial sound first division team. There is a big difference from being a run of the mill team with a sustainable base and secure future and a run of the mill team who are yet again living outwith their means, under performing and dusting down the begging bowls.