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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    3 minutes ago, MurrayWell said:

    He's only played 51 minutes for us, let's see what he can bring after a full pre-season I'd say. 

    Are you new at being a Motherwell supporter? 51 minutes worth of sub appearances is more than enough to judge if a player will make it with us. 

    Personally, I'm looking forward to slating trialists in a pre-season kick about in a public park in late June.

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    Chasing VAR out of Scotland

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    On 04/05/2024 at 16:07, Ginaro said:

    I don't attend Premiership games

    And this is exactly the issue - I'm afraid you have to live with it and spend a season (and your season ticket money) being ground down by it to get it. It's not something that comes over on TV.

    Last minute goals in a classic game like that Semi-final are about as unrepresentative an example as you can get. As something more down to earth - I was at a run of the mill end of season game against Livi yesterday and it took just under 5 minutes to decide on a penalty kick (and it was probably 7 minutes from the "handball" until the goal was scored overall)  - to the point that folk were booing even though it was in our favour. It was weird that there was then a really muted cheer when it was finally given - and I had pretty much lost interest by that point.

    The problem with VAR is not necessarily the big headline stuff - it's the sheer fucking monotony of constant interruptions/pauses and the uncertainty of what's actually going on when you're in the ground.

    Lastly - I don't think VAR has done anything *at all* to change the balance of decisions that teams get - stuff still goes for and against you in exactly the same way as it did in the past - but the path to get there is so much worse.

     

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted · Edited by Swello

    1 hour ago, capt_oats said:

    Forty (40) consecutive top flight seasons is it?

    Here's the first squad of this run from 85/86.

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    My first season watching us - Boyd and Gahagan aside,  I barely (or actually don't) remember a lot of these players on the stickers. The fact I've only seen us in the top league is pathetically important to me because my time lines up exactly with the current stint...

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    The Big Relegation Thread

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    I'm usually confident that the Premiership team will be too strong over 2 legs - but St Johnstone don't seem to have a functioning attack and (without looking at stats) it doesn't feel like they actually create much compared to other teams in the league.

    If it is them that ends up in the playoff and the Championship team score first - it would be a long way back IMO.

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    Livingston V Motherwell 4/5/24

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    End of season stuff can be fun when you're in no danger and I quite enjoyed sitting back watching that today instead of worrying about every decision.

    I can't help but feel - putting it mildly -  that some of these VAR decisions wouldn't have been going for us if the OF were visitors instead of Livi. Penalty was another farce - both in the amount of time it took to make the decision and the fact that the handball rule is fucking horrendous now.

    2nd and 3rd goals were worth being there for and we continue to score some absolute belters this season. We did try to keep the ball down and play whenever we could and Livi looked uncomfortable when we did it. I thought Gent and Miller were the pick of the bunch for us today - enjoyed watching them both and it would be nice to think that we'll be seeing them next season (but in the case of Gent at least, I really can't see it).

    Because it's been on the cards for ages - it was a pretty low key relegation for Livi, I was raging that not one player flopped to the ground and pretended to be upset at the end. Challenge for Livi will now be to turn into a team that has to win most games instead of not lose them. Well done to the young Livi boys for letting off the smallest item of Pyro ever seen in Scottish football - it was like someone had blown a match out and it made my day :)

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    27 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said:

    I love these guys so much. Leaving Dens with the score at 2-2 in their world must've been shite for them as everyone else got to leaving knowing it was 2-3.

    The weirdest thing is that a lot of these guys are absolute die-hards - you see them at midweek games in Dingwall or Aberdeen, pre-season friendlies, everywhere. It must be some laugh travelling the country specifically to be angry at a run of the mill league game.

     

    24 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said:

    HAPPY CLAPPY, HAPPY CLAPPY

    That's one of those phrases that only exists on-line and sounds fucking ridiculous when people say it in real life. See also "mainstream media" and everything routinely said on Twitter.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    12 hours ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:

    Accounting the value of the stadium is a big deal for me in the proposed take over of motherwell. Selling out to some American puts the future of Fir Park at risk.

    Has the guy got any history buying and selling land in his line of business? (genuine question).

    One thing I've always been sceptical about (more widely, not just us) - if buying and selling land for profit was your business plan, why in the name of f**k would you complicate your life by putting a top flight football club in the middle of your deal? There are lots of pieces of land about, and most of them don't come with a bunch of rabid lunatics opposing your every move and all the negative publicity and hassle that goes with it. If you wanted to make a return on land development, it would be one of the very worst ways to go about it.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    54 minutes ago, ropy said:

    Presumably they are saying that Miller’s goal was correctly ruled out, strange.

    Was the Aberdeen one not the opposite of the Ross County decision from earlier in the season? (ie - against County, non-goalscorer handball in the lead up, goal given for County - against Aberdeen non-goal-scorer handled in the build up, goal disallowed for Motherwell).

    Not really getting how neither decision was adjudged to have been "wrong".

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    Hillwalking Thread

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    On 27/04/2024 at 22:20, Juanhourjoe said:

    2 weeks of work since last week. And made a somewhat adventurous start on Monday. Climbing stob coire sgriodain and chno dearg. Stopping off at the little lochan in between to sit and have a couple of cans.

    Camped in the valley on the other side, before taking on being na lap in the morning. A nice walk along loch Ossian, before getting the train back to the other end at corrour.

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    Love this bit of the country - having the stations at Rannoch and Corrour masks how remote it really is. Currently hatching a plan to head back in there in fact...

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    46 minutes ago, well fan for life said:

    I'm not sure you can say you won the ball cleanly when you follow through and stud the opposition player in the bollocks. He's caught the ball with his knee as he's hammered straight through the tackle without looking. 
     

    Probably a booking about 10 years ago. Nailed on red nowadays.

    The danger is (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone) - is seeing incidents and judging them on what we want them to be rather than what the current interpretation of the laws actually are (and I think the longer you've been going to the football, the worse the effect is)

    In my own set of rules, yesterday was a yellow card as it was accidental and only thing it really endangered was the Aberdeen player's ability to father children - but that's not close to the reality of what referees are told to do with challenges like that now. Handball is worse - almost nothing that's given as a penalty for handball now lines up with my view of what it should be - but it's hard to argue when you know what the rules are now.

    As I said on the match thread, I'm way more wound up about the fact that there has been no progress made over the course of the season in making us able to defend corners/set pieces - it's fucking maddening, it's the biggest black mark against Kettlewell and it's killed us this season way more than a few refereeing decisions. We're bottom 6 because we give away poor goals every single week and it can't continue.

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    Aberdeen v Motherwell. If anyone's interested.

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    TBH - losing our 800th goal of the season from a corner takes away any energy to argue about red cards (wasn't one when I started going, is one in 2024) - and I suspect that's why Kettlewell is talking about the sending off so much. How much we really think it wasn't a red card rather than a deflection tactic will be clear if/when we appeal it.

    Nothing about us being down to 10 men explains why despite having some decent individual players in there, we have continually fucked up the most basic thing you ask from your defence. I think I'm right in saying that we lost zero goals from corners when Alexander was the manager (mainly as he kept mentioning it) - so what we have done this season on that measure is pretty embarrassing.

    Game was an end of season special - and even the red card didn't change the lack of energy, although it gave Aberdeen lots of chances to be through on goal (and bizarrely make an arse of it every time). 

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    Chasing VAR out of Scotland

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    On 24/04/2024 at 19:18, dezz said:

    I see that none of our esteemed whistlers have been selected for Euro 2024 duty after their involvement in continental and international competition was cited as one of the reasons we had to bring VAR in. 

     

    11 hours ago, HibsFan said:

    For the defeatists out there, if Sweden can do it - why can't we?

     

    And in a lovely twist, Sweden will have refs in Germany

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    European football’s governing body has appointed 90 match officials, including refs and VAR teams, from across the continent to take charge of games at the tournament being held in Germany.

    As well as officials from the host country there will be representatives from several countries including England, Portugal, Romania, France, Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Slovenia, Spain, Poland and Turkey.

     

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    53 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said:

    I suppose this is where it's important that the club makes it clear that actually; we're better for your development. That demographic has been a constant for the last decade, in that time we've seen guys like Ben Hall, Robbie Leitch (Who can forget that saga), Hastie, Rice, probably some others I forget. None of whom have come close to what Turnbull has achieved either in minutes nor triumphs.

    The Turnbull and Miller examples (And I suppose Johnston as well now) are the best of these, where it is made abundantly clear to young players that yes; there's better money elsewhere, there's other opportunities at bigger clubs, but the chances of you playing regularly are slim. You are good enough here to be a first-team regular, and your next move is one to another club where you'll play.

    McAlear and Rice took moves straight to another youth team/another team and are they better for it? Probably not. Were they good enough to contribute anyway? A question that doesn't really have an answer, but I suspect that Rice in particular would be better served standing next to Lennon Miller on a Saturday than he is sitting in the stand for 30 weeks a year.

    I think this is spot on. You're better to move as a Turnbull, Johnston or Wee Al with a track record in the bank which allows you to actually get a first team game somewhere.

    We're more than decent at getting young players to the point they can play first team football (with us) and we can get that type of player a decent move when the time comes- but the record of the players that have moved with little or no first team experience is pretty stark in comparison. 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    8 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said:

    That said, it's funny how Kilmarnock did splash out on him, yet his anonymity hasn't really affected them adversely. It's almost like they just signed him to stop St. Mirren getting him.

    I can only assume that was it.

    It will be a more interesting debate in the summer if/when he gets paid off by Groningen and is floating about looking for a club with his stock way lower than it was (I'd still be in the "no" camp BTW).

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