Buddist Monk

I think you'll find many turned to personal insults rather than dealing with the facts, that mixed with numerous misquotes and blatant assumptions. Even in your answer you are misrepresenting the situation. Listen, I get it, open forum and all that, people get pissy. It's not needed though.

You really don't know do you?

I await all the apologies when Ross is not named Barnsley manager.

I'd love for you to point out anywhere in my reply that is condescending. I thought I was being entirely fair, the poster was claiming some dichotomy. It didn't exist. So every manager will take a bigger job no matter what. Doesn't matter the current position they are in, their home life and family, doesn't matter the league position they are going to or the longevity of managers in that league. Absolutely none of that matters.

Two fold, really. Our own fanbase are notorious knicker wetters. I mean, I love them in a misanthropic manner, but we really we can be our own worst enemy. The idea that as things are going well it's all going to go tits up and a possible link with Ross is given far more weight than it really should. The other side is fans who have never listened to Ross making huge assumptions. Now just because I've followed his comments doesn't make me an expert on the matter but I'd maybe consider that it provides more of an insight. The whole "well it's money" without actually justifying that is also part of that exasperation.

And you base that on what in particular?

What you have stated is in no way mutually exclusive to my claim. Exasperated is probably the best word.

To you perhaps.

I said it's unlikely Barnsley would go for Ross because of the other far more experienced candidates, that is in no way at odds with the assumption that if he continues to do well he'll get linked to championship jobs. Almost the entirety of your post is about proving some conflict in my opinion; having my cake as it were. All you've done though is correlate. Is Ross capable of managing at that level? Probably. Would teams be interested? Probably. Will there be Championship jobs available in the future? Probably. Is a successful manager going to get linked with them? Probably. I hope that clears it up a little for you. As for the rest of your post... "lashing out", that's hilarious. I'm stating the blindingly obvious, and tempering it with what the guy himself has said. I don't see anywhere I have been confrontational or down right rude. So I'm not sure of the validity of this claim. I have at no point entirely dismissed the possibility. So, really, I should give you a +1 simply for taking the time and dissecting what is going on here, however I can't because you've misinterpreted (misappropriated/misunderstood, take your pick of the least inflammatory terms) what I have said. Who knows, maybe this is an issue with my communication. I mean I don't feel I have been unclear. What is entirely clear is that there are an absolute shit ton of people on here who have never listened to a Jack Ross interview in their lives, who are now postulating his moves based on their own grubby desires for more money.

So that's a no, we haven't.

So have we got past the point of some saints fans going, "Listen to what he has said for the last year", and other less informed funsters giving it the "it's all for the money"? This seems to be the split here. Those who have actually followed what Ross has said and done, and those who know f**k all but are immediately ITK because there might be some money involved.

aww...

On the flip side, does that mean I am lauded when we do officially receive the title? Will you United boys be sending down a bus for my party?

Careful, that sort of sensible logic does not go down well here...

Yet your previous reply stated... "supposed large level of investment funds available" ..which would surely open up more managerial options. Not sure of the actual cost of dropping a division, but I'm guessing it would be considerably more than what they'd pay even a top top manager for a season.

Your whole post is a good summary, the one caveat regarding the investment. That's fine when the window is open. A relegation battle is no fun when you have the money to spend but can't spend it. McCarthy, Monk, Robinson, Robins and several others have all been "soft" linked. These are all well kent names.

Ah, ok, sorry, you know how these comment chains go, the initial quote gets buried by subsequent ones. My apologies for that. I'd still stand by it, btw, in terms of "glorious" and "basketcase" the Barnsley job is considerably more slanted to the latter. You could argue Ross' stock may be lower or that of the jobs available he'll not be linked with them, but that's just whatabootery. Something I suppose we are both indulging in, and all we can do is agree that he might or might not. His stock will be higher though as he will have won a league and now testing himself against the OF. A yardstick that is sickeningly used by those outside Scottish football.

I think it's more a personal goal. Were you happy you (and as a Morton fan I'm going to go out on a limb here.. ) passed your O levels, A levels, perhaps a degree or a masters. These are personal development milestones. To walk away from your first ever significant management accolade would seemingly go against what he's said previously. Of course he'll get a chance at another club, Barnsley is a massive gamble on both sides, imo. So in that sense I'm not holding the Championship title as a CV addition, although it is, more that it would seem to be an important personal achievement.

On a side note, if Ross went (which he won't) I too think that Hopkins would be a decent shout. If he can change his playing style from thuggery to technique..

I don't think you are taking this well, in fact it's clear you are fuming. No? Oh, right you're not, and neither am I. Shall we put to rest the rather transparent school playground explicit assumptions? I may be a (frustratingly) lone voice in my opinion but that won't stop me pointing out utterly obvious points. If people think "am raging" then tediosity is clearly the norm on here.

You seemed to have missed the word "overall" in my comment. Financially beneficial it may be, but that is only one tiny part of the situation. I never said he'd get a bigger job, I said jobs in the Championship are not rare. Which they aren't. You could argue there won't be any available next season but in doing that you are simply arguing against the evidence of season's past. You then go all out in some sort of whatabootey stream of consciousness. So all in all that second paragraph makes little sense. As for the knicker wetting, like the Morton fan I understand why a supporter of another team would only have a cursory grasp of the psyche of a fanbase I've been part of for (many) decades. If there is one thing St Mirren fans do, it's dour, and they do that in abundance. Ever hear us boo, ffs? We are masters of the perceived slight. Our fan base has been knicker wetting for years, and because Ross is clearly an asset the mindset is that we will somehow automatically lose him to anyone, just fucking anyone - in fact the idea that he didn't go to Dundee is still surprising to some of our support.

I don't think anyone is angry here. That is the very point I was making by posting that. Neither of us are, which just shows the superfluousness of your suggestion I was. Ross will go at some time, I just don't see the overall benefit of it being Barnsley at present.

Why are you so angry?

Yes. Although I'll caveat it with a "surprised" rather than "completely surprised". However it's a considerably more subtle situation that your rather slanted take on the matter. Now you are just arguing for the sake of it. What utter bullshit. Nobody is scrambling or shouting down. Such melodrama on your part. What some of us are trying to point out is that there needs to be a bit of level headed contemplation from some St Mirren fans. We are, as a bunch, ridiculously negative and we really need to stop being so.

If anything I've been a voice of reason, so much so you need to resort to suggesting I am naive and angry. I can assure you I am neither. I find the pant wetting acceptance that "ooh, it's a big club", "ooh, it's a lot of money" to be just too simplistic and a massive generalisation. Am I saying Barnsely wouldn't be interested? No, I am not, although as been pointed out here there has been no formal contact. Am I saying he'd speak to them if asked? Yes, I think he would and I'd encourage him to. Am I saying he'd be offered the job? No, I really don't see how he will be, it would be far too big a gamble for Barnsley. Am I saying he'd take the job right now if offered? No, I don't think he would. As for the idea I am getting worked up about this is laughable, no one man is bigger than the club and the back of the league has been broken so all he needs to do is wait a few months for his first ever managerial silverware. Do you think he's going to give up that, even aside all the rest of the reasons I don't think he'd leave - just now.