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27 minutes ago, MurrayWell said:
Apparently all the offers are pure shite anyway, this one being particularly awful.
As @Busta Nut says, let's shelve this and just get on with running the club now. If the unlikely scenario of someone coming in with "club changing" cash happens in the future then ideal.
See, I don't think it has to be 'transformational' investment or anything but the trade off has to be proportional and on our terms.
Actively looking to bring investment into the club is, IMO, A.Good.Thing but rolling out an investment pitch in the way McMahon did, at a point where everything was as up in the air as it was, when we didn't have a permanent CEO in place was again IMO, utterly fucking dumb.
So aye. Get Ewan McVicar's Da' in, stabilise things and let McMahon step down in the summer then see how things go.
Hopefully we can get back to making Good Decisions rather than the fuckery of the past 18 months.
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31 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said:
With the usual caveats of not knowing his personality, focus on growth v cutting costs etc, instinctively you look at his record of 25 years CEO experience of football clubs and say fine...
It needed done and it's not Gerry Britton so that's a start...
One of the first things returned on a Google search (after his LinkedIn) is:
Which is generally pretty positive. As far as I can see no one's calling him a c**t and I think the statement from their fan group is interesting:
QuoteFollow the Town said: "Sorry to see Brian go. He did a cracking job, was a good communicator and built up a good rapport with supporters. Best of luck to him for whatever comes next."
Jamie Dowley added: "What a shame he’s a great guy and the best chief exec town have ever had by a distance."
Ian the Shrew Jones also paid tribute, adding: "Shocked and saddened by the news Brian has done so much for the club I wish all the best for the future."
Docherty scored 10 goals in 50 appearances on loan from Rangers back 2018/19 and he said: "I can’t thank Brian enough for what he did for me and my family during my time at Shrewsbury as well as what he’s done for my career on a personal note! A proper football man."
A statement read: "With the disappointing news of his departure from STFC, we would like to thank Brian Caldwell for the support he has provided to our group over the past few years.
"From the moment we approached Brian with our plans for the south stand, he has been enthusiastic about the project and has entrusted us with a free reign over the displays.
"Whilst its easy to be cynical about the motivations of a club CEO, we found Brian to be genuine in his love of fan culture, even on occasion bringing the drum to away games in his own car boot."
The group also pointed to Caldwell's involvement in making Salop the first club to introduce safe standing in 2018.
The group added: "Looking back further we also acknowledge the role Brian played in getting safe standing installed at the Meadow, a ground breaking move at a time when standing was still not permitted in most professional grounds - something we are immensely proud of."
There's also a thread on Shrewsbury's forum about him from around the time he left as well again interesting few mentions about his communication with fans etc on the first page.
It's 10 pages:
https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/105568/brian-caldwell
Also, h/t to @djchapsticks and @Div
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Appreciate there's an element of "didn't fancy her anyway" about this but while I'd absolutely have preferred Spittal to stay I kind of feel the same about him as I did Goss in so much as based on their careers to date we've probably got the absolute best version of them and I'd have been wary about chucking the sort of money that in Spittal's case his form has absolutely deserved.
Making Spittal our second highest paid player or whatever would have felt a bit risky on the off chance he regressed to the mean.
While his numbers and general contribution will obviously be difficult to replace it kind of feels like he's the type of player we've got a decent enough track record of being actually being able to recruit.
Similar to our Murderers Row of #9s hitting double figures over the last 30 years I guess.
As I said, assuming he has f**k all interest in trying his hand in England or abroad and he's looking for a club that's a commutable distance from his house then a sideways move to a club with a larger fanbase but we've fairly regularly finished above and long term deal with the sort of significant uplift to his wage Hearts could offer is his best case scenario here.
We got a good two seasons out of someone that was viewed as entirely underwhelming by a large section of the support when he signed. Absolutely fair fucks to him and also to Kettlewell for getting the sort of turn out of him he has.
Tbh, I'm just confused how this can happen when he's already signed a PCA with St Mirren. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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16 minutes ago, Dosser1886 said:
Could have sworn it was way more than, obviously not.
Alexander was only at the club for 2 games after Spittal signed.
I think you're confusing Alexander with Steven Hammell who absolutely did misuse Spittal on a regular basis.
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38 minutes ago, SEETHING said:
Can I just commend the significant number of you who clearly recognise Motherwell's place as being CONSIDERABLY below Hearts in football/life's pecking order.
Respectfully, f**k off.
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1 minute ago, Vietnam91 said:
@capt_oats Not denying the numbers but 76 games under Kettlewell, does it count bounce games and Dutch pre-seasons?
Kettlewell signed and played him for Ross County.
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17 minutes ago, Dosser1886 said:
Good luck to him, must have thought his career was done when Alexander was shoehorning him out of position and he looked a bit shit. Fair play to SK for getting the best out of him. Worked for us and him.
A fee would have been nice, but hopefully get a few more good performances out of him before the end of the season.
Aye those two games he played for Alexander...
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/blair-spittal/leistungsdatentrainer/spieler/251587
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1 minute ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said:
Football has become so numbers and data focused that the chances of us keeping an out of contract attacking midfielder with 11 goals and 9 assists are pretty much nil.
Hearts is a perfect move for both parties. He gets a decent hike in wages without having to move a young family. Hearts get a low risk singing or a proven player in the division who won't cost the earth, when they don't have many players otter than Shankland scoring or assisting frequently.
He was good enough last season, that he didn't need to commit to a new deal in the summer. When we sign players of his age on two year deals, a player generally isn't good enough to be offered an extension half way through, or too good to need to sign the deal he's offered.
On that point he has 17 goals and 16 assists in 78 games for us.
33 goal involvements in 78 games is some return for someone who had a entirely 'meh' reaction whenever Alexander signed him.
Absolutely fair fucks to him like.
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26 minutes ago, Swello said:
I'd imagine it's close to the ideal move for him - probably double his wages and doesn't need to uproot a young family to some English League 1 hellhole.
That's pretty much how I'm looking at it as well.
Respectfully, Hearts is probably the ceiling for someone like Spittal. It's nominally a sideways move from us but the uplift in wages makes it a no-brainer from his POV.
Assuming we stay up etc we've had a good two years out of him.
Look forward to hearing Sked make out that he's always rated him now.
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8 minutes ago, ropy said:
Was it Ainsworth that took a ball to the base of the left hand post and had to play round it before knocking it over the line? A tap in but a belter.
It was.
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14 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:
I imagine it's probably something that one of new media guys at Saints have gone to the Courier with "here's a wee exclusive for you".
Both previously worked at the Herald and Perthshire advertiser(owned by the Record) doing sports coverage. Both Saints fans too and no doubt will hate VAR also.
For avoidance of doubt I wasn't being entirely serious in asking if RG was behind it.
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Well...I take it this is your doing @RandomGuy.
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5 hours ago, Swello said:
Technology to help with objective decisions (ie - goal line tech or offside) is completely fine - but we now know that having multiple people using technology for subjective decisions makes things actively worse - the assumptions around what VAR would be useful for were completely flawed from the outset and the promises about how it would be used (clear and obvious) were naïve or dishonest.
And for what it's worth, I think the offside rule is miles better than it was. The idea of interfering with play can still be subjective of course but it's *so* much better than the older, much stricter interpretation of the rule. Handball has been fucked beyond all recognition - but a lot of the changes over the past couple of decades have been pretty positive I think.
I want VAR gone - but if there was a compromise proposal to massively pare it back so that it was only used for obvious stuff and with strict time limits, I could probably live with it.
This is kind of it for me. It's very much a case of the genie being out of the bottle so it seems unlikely that it'll be binned however it's be a sensible step for there to be a genuine discussion about why VAR has been as much of a shitshow (even though anyone who had been paying attention could see it coming).
That said, while I don't have much sympathy for the clubs - as I've said it's a Leopards Eating People's Faces Party situation where it seems actual adults seemed to think it wouldn't affect them and we'd just be levelling out the decisions that were going against them - but I think it's probably fair to say that what they're getting isn't what was pitched to them. Naive as the expectations of what they'd get might have been.
For me, as @Busta Nut and others have said the one thing that VAR is actually good for is offside specifically because it's a binary choice.
In which case narrowing the scope of VAR feels like a logical step.
Leave it for these Yes/No decisions eg: is someone offside or not, is a ball in or out, was a foul inside/outside the area and leave the on field ref to officiate the game as they see fit without having someone in their ear second guessing decisions.
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Bring him home.
Also...if we're revisiting traditional international break topics this hits a bit different now that we've battered them in the league.
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7 minutes ago, JayMFC said:
Also, I probably wasn't that surprised at the time. I was perhaps a little disappointed as someone vehemently opposed to VAR but I think it's easy now, after it's been just a shambles, to be quite revisionist. The actual truth is, at the time, a lot of folk were pretty content to welcome in VAR, on the proviso it was done well.
Obviously that proviso looks laughable now, but I wouldn't really say that the club voted for VAR against some sort of groundswell of opposition.
Oh, absolutely.
I seem to remember Alexander being entirely in favour of it and for a lot of (naive) people there was an expectation that it would be a great leveller and in general it'd be a panacea for Scottish Football...despite all evidence to the contrary.
Indeed some may say it was a case of...
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11 minutes ago, JayMFC said:
I agree with the comments about the short turnaround in terms of a consultation with fans, and I also have to say that I've been vocally opposed to VAR from the very beginning, but it's also probably just worth flagging that I was surprised that, through the Society's consultation, there was a majority in favour of VAR.
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3 minutes ago, camer0n_mcd said:
Was it not voted on by the Society members or am I getting myself mixed up?
You're sort of right. Society members received "consultation" (at very short notice) but the club just went ahead and waved it through regardless.
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12 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Hard to have any sympathy when the club voted for it against the wishes of those fans two years ago, but it's a positive step nonetheless.
Absolutely. It has massive Leopards Eating People's Faces Party energy but as @Desp just said to Duncan on Twitter "Clubs realising they've made a c**t of it and now opening calling it how shite it is should be a good thing."
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On 18/03/2024 at 17:26, Desp said:
Agree. I'd like to see Hearts, Motherwell & St. Mirren take the lead on this. Providing the relevant Boards of the FOH, Well Society & whatever St. Mirren have are actually in favour of VAR or not.
It's one of the points I asked in my email to the WS. I think there's 7 or 8 on the Board of the WS, so I'm keen to see if a majority of the Board are in favour of it or not. If the majority of the Board aren't in favour, what's their plan?
I suppose in a round about sort of way that's us made our position on VAR public.
Quote"We are aware from the recent SFA announcement and from interaction with SPFL officials that a full review of VAR is ongoing and we have had input into that process. There are many potential consequences of some of these decisions, but we are most concerned that the inconsistency of decision making, regular lengthy VAR interventions during most games and lack of any clarity on why decisions have been made, is having a serious impact on fans’ enjoyment of the game.
The feedback we receive from our own fans on VAR is almost entirely negative and, if given a choice, we believe most would vote to no longer have it in use. It’s actually not easy to find anyone who either participates in football or watches it who is happy with the current position."
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7 hours ago, Handsome_Devil said:
There's various articles about the City Group in France:
While I'm unsure about the merits of this for us in general, if the offer was to become part of the Abu Dhabi promotion campaign I'd take kicking around the Championship and Challenge Cup every time.
I mean, absolutely +1 on this but I suppose it's testament to the effectiveness of Sportswashing from various States that it's not a stretch to suggest that there's probably a fairly sizeable section of our support who'd actually see that sort of alignment as something aspirational.
Which is entirely depressing on multitudes of levels.
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1 hour ago, JayMFC said:
Couple of you may have already completed this online or on Saturday when Sean from the Society Board, along with some volunteers, was talking to people outside the ground - but if anybody's got a spare few minutes, feel free to fill out this survey on Society values etc: The Well Society (office.com)
Not far off the target originally set for respondents, so if some of the fine posters on P&B complete it, the target should be easily accomplished, ta!
Done but also as @Desp says
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Aye put some fucking respect on the name.
BIG JOHN SUTTON INCOMEING.
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On 14/03/2024 at 16:28, capt_oats said:
This definitely feels like an Aberdeen win.
Supporters on our side who haven't learned their lesson looking at the Top 6, us coming off the back of scudding the **** and generally being in alright form (we've only lost 2 of our last 10 league games).
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Following on from @thisGRAEME's re-post from The WS re: updating contact details, this is an interesting questionnaire/survey from Sean if you want to fill it in.
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Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons
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Bring him home.