Coventry Saint

Glowing praise from McLean for Robinson here. Sad to see how the threshold for success has fallen in Perthshire since they won Shroedinger's double. Edit: I do realise that knowing the correct time is probably a valuable skill in agrarian Perthshire, so maybe this is actually high praise.

I see no problem playing McMenamin at RWB as a stopgap measure. In our set up, it's a very attacking position that carries a lot of influence. We've seen more assists from there than we have from RWF. That might be down to the individual players, but it shows we're not exactly stifling the guys at RWB. It's then just an opportunity to play a different attacking player in front of him. I expect we'll see a front three of Olusanya, Kiltie and Mandron.

Did Burchall play for Trinidad & Tobago while on loan with us?

Tanser signed a two year extension. Class. Weird though because we were definitely told he and his agent would be angling for a move after one season.

Hope the game's not in any danger. Trains being cancelled across Scotland today, apparently. While we are far from favourites, this does represent a decent chance to get at a weakened Rangers and I'll be disappointed if they get breathing space to regroup.

Rare but excellent example of a Rangers Ma there.

Nobody's been in touch yet. Things must be really grim.

In that case, perhaps we should let you have two stands.

Possibly. A Partick Thistle fan started the St Mirren (Championship) Relegation Express thread in 16-17. Remember Partick Thistle?

The job was too big for him. I don't mean that we are massive, (though, of course, we are...) more that we were an absolute basket case at that point. Just relegated from the prem, divisions in the dressing room, senior pros who were about the same age as Murray who were never going to respect him, no recruitment strategy, the players he did bring in were shite, came into a strong league with Hibs and Rangers... he was just miles out his depth to the point that Alex Rae represented a brief improvement. Obviously the above is the 'doing him some credit' view. Others will point out his terrible tactics and lack of leadership, etc. I think he was 34 when he took that job and it was just too much for him. It took a change of club ownership and, eventually, an inspired 18 months under Jack Ross to turn us around.

We've all been there: pissing around on your phone during a teams call when someone suddenly asks for your opinion. In fact that's what I'm doing right now. Thank f**k I don't have the combined social media whining of Liverpool FC after me every time I fudge out a blagged response. All that said, I do wish we, as a club, were doing a bit more complaining about this. Unless we are and it's happening behind the scenes. But holy f**k it's getting ridiculous now.

Yeah, and that reaction got us over the line that season. Weirdly, Rae is still only the fourth-worst manager we've had in the past decade, which is remarkable really. You could make a reasonable argument for fifth worst* depending on how harsh you want to be on Gary Teale. All this sounds like I'm defending him: I'm not. He's the worst c**t. *Worst in order of ineptitude: Stubbs Craig Murray Rae/Teale

Snowballs out.

Thread going so amicably and someone mentions the fucking shop debacle. I hope you're proud of yourself.

If at some point this week you could loudly point out that Beale is a decent coach and will turn things around, that'd be grand, thanks.

Yesterday was clearly what happens when two well-drilled, organised teams come up against each other. This league would be absolutely gubbed if every team decided to be well organised.

f**k off.

Hibs was ok as well. I knew it wasn't Saints fans' faults. Just needed to find non-maniac opposition fans.

Everyone choosing not to remember Eamonn Brophy...?

Didn't see a single second of that. Shite all round. Ah well. I hope Hibs win it now.

Anyone got a link? Usual sources coming up blank.

100% Walsh has fucked up his handling of the Mandron goal. He almost did so well: let play continue, then blew after ball went in. In his head there, he thinks VAR will correct his mistake. But he needs to award the goal for that to happen. If he does that, there's a clear review of the incident and if they decide there's a foul, then fair enough. Instead, he says it was a free kick and play continues, so VAR doesn't get involved. He's hugely mishandled it. I really hope the club is (quietly, without issuing a statement) kicking off about this.

The fact is, based on the footage we have available, the ball was over the line by a bigger margin than Grieve was offside, yet here were are and they're both chalked off.

Focus now moves to the League Cup. In the event that we don't win, can any of the Motherwell fans reading our thread give any tips on pretending we don't care about that competition?

Newcastle there, showing what can happen when decisions aren't unilaterally going against you.