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1 hour ago, jimbaxters said:
So the WoSFL, who have a 3 up/3 down promotion/relegation policy in place are now being held responsible for stifling the pyramid? They can't even get a guaranteed promotion for the top club, regardless of its licensing status, due to the closed nature of the top five tiers.
@holmparkheroes is right by saying the office bearers are volunteers and as such are limited in numbers and resources. They can't just keep the back door open indefinitely. I do agree that it's not great to vote an ambitious club out when in the bottom league there could easily have been time for a 20 team league, especially given that many are playing on astro. However, there has to be a limit somewhere.
I don't have a great deal of sympathy if it's true that Knightswood are getting in playing at a side pitch at Scotstoun and St Pats were considered acceptable playing at Argyll Park. The pair of them should have been told to come back.
The WoSFL lowered the bar to entry to amateur level. Now playing the "woe is me" card when inundated with interest.
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8 minutes ago, holmparkheroes said:
What I’m saying is start a lower level of the pyramid if you want to join in. You can’t expect the WoSFL to do your work for you.
There isn't a lower level. Unless you want to try the Glasgow Wellington route and spend half a season on road trips down to D&G.
How is an individual club supposed to magic up another 7-9 Teams, sfa approval to exist, and formalise a promotion & relegation agreement with the WOSFL all by itself?
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Just now, Arthurlie1981 said:
You are correct, I had been told there was potentially going to be 1 put into the constitution from this season.
Were St Pats going to groundshare for the coming season with Vale of Leven?
A Vale poster on here said that wasn't the case. New groundshares on grass parks aren't allowed anyway. I don't know what they had lined up. Just know both Knightswood and St Pats met the membership requirements otherwise there wouldn't have been a vote between them.
Possible factor in this is the distinction in memberships for new clubs. Associate membership where all the entry requirements are met, full membership kicking in after the 1st season.
Then a Development membership where a club will be allowed to work towards Full membership over a period of years. If both clubs only met the Development membership standard it might explain why they only took one just to prevent an idle team.
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3 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:
The 80 clubs rule can only be challenged by members. It was obviously agreed that it would be in the constitution and as such both Knightswood and St Pats would have known there was only 1 space.
The member clubs will have voted whatever way they wanted and will have their own reasons for doing so. I am guessing that both clubs ticked all the boxes to make it onto a shortlist and I am guessing that both clubs were aware that only 1 of them would be voted in so I struggle to see where the challenge comes from for St Pats?
There isn't an 80 club rule.
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20 minutes ago, Dev said:
Indeed but the facility was needing to be finished not long ago, having been subject to long, expensive, delays. Having said that it isn't as much fun as banging on about perceived grievances!
Nevertheless, unless there is an 80 club limit in the WoS rules St Pats should have been allowed in [a] because they did meet the criteria and the league is partly there to foster football at the level its' at in the region. Surely one or two extra clubs could have been shoe-horned in i.e. with mid-week matches already being lined up for the first part of the season in order to ease late season fixture pile-ups.
Instead of the 80 team rule, it's upto the committee to decide if there's a vacancy. A decision has been made there was only room for one.
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Since it said elsewhere there were 5 applicants this year. With just St Pats & Knightswood making it past the committee.
No point bothering next year it seems. Closed shop mentality has been engaged.
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26 minutes ago, HorseyGhirl said:
Where Locos not in SJC last year. St.Cadocs maybe focusing on league. Finnart is interesting one.
This is the Former Rossvale Academy, aka just Rossvale now.
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9 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:
I think once you get to Tier 8/9 districtisation is the sensible approach.
I really don't understand the SFA's disquiet about it. They don't run the disciplinary procedures at that level.
It's one of those things that sounds good in theory. Try splitting a merged 2nd and 3rd Division regionally. Majority of the teams are in the West Lothian/Edinburgh hub. It really only saves the handful of outliers from Fife-Borders travel.
It would also leave 3(4) promotions spots between the 27 teams. While currently there are 6(8) promotions and 3(4) relegations to keep things interesting.
I could see the Third Division end up in Conferences, that might be regionalised. The current division could go from 11 to 24. 12-12 Conferences: Play own Conference twice, other Conference once. Giving a 34 game season which is still manageable.
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1 minute ago, stanley said:
Kilsyth Athletic v Giffnock is the final R1 tie.
Thanks
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5 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:
Aye that's the dream. Just find it hilarious that there are more clubs joining the SJC which, joyously will irk some people.
I just find it rather self-defeating from the WoSFL point of view. Strathclyde Cup is the league's own competition.
The SJC and SCC is the issue.
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https://www.wosfl.co.uk/newsArticle/strathclyde_demolition_cup.html
Looks like St Cadoc's, Giffnock, Rossvale, Kilsyth Athletic and Finnart have turned Junior and Kello Rovers either returned to the SJFA or excluded after last season's walkover.
EDIT: Just noticed only 7 ties in Round One shown. So 2 of those clubs must still be in the draw.
Preliminary Round
Eglinton v Glenvale
Round One
Eglinton or Glenvale v Easterhouse
Thorn Athletic v St Peter's
Knightswood v Whitletts Victoria
West Park United v Renfrew
Forth Wanderers v BSC Glasgow
Port Glasgow Juniors v Neilston
Drumchapel United v Campbeltown Pupils
Kilsyth Athletic v. Giffnock
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Just now, HorseyGhirl said:
When did the WOSFL became a secret society.
Oh wait that would be a secret so we'll never know.
They were having their agm, and doing draws of WoSFL Cup and Strathclyde Cup. It's not really the best time for live streaming while dealing with other business.
The first couple of posts were from clubs, potentially while the draw was taking place. Since it's a simple thing to tweet or quickly knock up the default graphic for a single clubs tie(s).
WoSFL is under a different level of scrutiny than the SoSFL. Who did the same thing and even held back a couple of cup draws until days later.
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1 minute ago, PossilYM said:
Broomhill both versions, must be raging.
After trailing across the Central Belt annoying the life out of ever club they've shared with plus eventually splitting in two, Knightswood FC appear from nowhere and start playing in Scotstoun.
You couldn't make that up.
Wouldn't meet licencing standards. Which was the Lowland League club's concern. Think both teams have still used Scotstoun over the years for Development & Youth teams.
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Just now, approximately dave said:
Selkirk, I know.
Has there been a new club in the town formed since then?
I think something was done around keeping the ground as a going concern, but existing teams like Selkirk Victoria (ams) and community teams use it.
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1 minute ago, approximately dave said:
No.
East Kilbride, University of Stirling, Gala F and Gretna, everyone else has either moved up or down.
or bust.
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1 minute ago, lowenan said:
On Scotscores St Patrick’s are ranked as the best amateur team in the country, they are also champions of the strongest league. Knightswood is ranked 263, and is on the second level of a weaker league. Weird that the best team didn’t get elected.
On that front keep in mind facilities are most important. From what i've seen said they intended to use Vale of Leven's Millburn in the 1st season. Which is a grass pitch and not something that's desired for groundshares anymore. Must have had something acceptable lined up if it was one or the other.
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Is the WoSFL now a closed shop then if it's one or the other?
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Since Cup draws have been made. Anyone know of new clubs that made it in this year?
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1 minute ago, PossilYM said:
Add in Rossvale, both branches.
Neither are in the WoS Premier. Nor likely to be anytime soon on recent form. Drumchapel United nearly made it though.
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27 minutes ago, Dev said:
The window of opportunity to move up into the EoS could close or be more difficult soon, so Linton Hotspur's move could be very good timing, indeed.
Right now there's room for 7 teams (16-16-16-18) without perhaps thinking outside the box. That's years of room to work with and the EoS has shown itself to be more than capable to accomodate numbers with non-traditional formats.
This isn't the WoSFL where they've kicked around the idea of capping numbers.
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4 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:
What do you mean by “made up teams”? Every team in existence was made up at some point, it’s how you start.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. He's got Gartcairn & St Cadoc's to look forward to this season.
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11 hours ago, CowdenMiners1204 said:
Do they have plans to get division 3 upto 16 teams?
Cupar Hearts must have thought about taking the journey into the league set up.
Not really something that's upto them. Lowland still favours EoS area teams might see additions coming top down. Everything else is dependent on applications. As seen with Linton Hotspur getting in, meet the criteria it should be a formality.
Plenty of suggestions will no doubt be thrown out there over the next year. All the usual suspects to make an appearace: Cupar Hearts, all the Borders towns with former EoS sides, as well new kid on the block Tullibody St Serfs.
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20 minutes ago, HorseyGhirl said:
Problem is any punishment to Santa would effect Camelon.
But surely we don't want clubs going to the wall like Syngenta did.
What happened at Syngenta isn't always what happens when there's a parting of the ways.
Is it really any different than the Open Goal Broomhill situation that played out this season? An existing club let an outsider in to basically run the entire football operation. The outsider walks away, what they've built goes with. Club's left holding the bag.
Broomhill's committee have carried on. Syngenta's decided to fold. Darvel's seeing a similar situation with Mick Kennedy leaving. They still seem to have their money man at least to try and build another team.
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Since we're down to basically amateur level applicants. Do you see a majority of WoSFL clubs willing to vote in a promotion / relegation format with ammie level grounds? We already know there's a section in the membership that don't think they should be relegated to the 4th Division.