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The vice chairman is a nice guy, who has worked for the club for many years. The club needs people like him. However in my humble opinion, he is not the leader the club needs at the moment. I cannot imagine him having the vision, the strength to deal with a character like Ferguson, or the answer to 'should he be sacked and replaced by xxxxx xxxxxx'

The previous three posts from BC, TBP and Hd all have merit. For me (though not everyone) you need two things to be true for people to find the time and money to attend football. 1. It needs to be enjoyable more often than not. There are always days that are not but they need to be balanced by a similar or greater number of enjoyable games. For me it is also broader than the 90 mins on the pitch. By that I mean the pre match beer/chat/trip away etc. 2. You also need a belief or an element of hope that progress is probable or at least possible. This is where the vision and the delivery of the strategy comes into play. No vision or a repeated failure to deliver on a vision takes away the belief and the hope that playing at a better level, with better players on show and an atmosphere in the ground will return in the short to medium term. The ambition of a significant proportion of our support for that level of performance and enjoyment generates a frustration and eventually decisions that can be read throughout any Clyde thread especially this one. Until number 2 above is delivered on, there won't be enough of number 1 which increases frustration, reduces attendances and and ironically makes the whole thing a catch-22. The clock is ticking.

Wonderful. Don't know how I missed this first time around.

Dear dear, but they are all lovable rogues after all...

It's not called parkhead

Spent the first 45 mins watching 20 or so idiots around me arguing over seats, pushing each other, telling the people behind them to stand if they want to see, including the kids and then hugging like long lost buddies. Big day out in the big city, and they can't handle it. Game was fairly average, just as well opposition were poor. Dear seats for me next time to see if I can actually watch the game. Best fans my ass

Back to the earlier comment, if you type in English you may get a response.

Whoaaa he's onto people with a bit of money now. Move over English people its the West of Scotland middle classes who are now in the firing line. The ones who pay their council tax so he's got a library to sit in all day, posting on here.

Type that again in English and he might be able to construct a response. Moving to Glasgow hasn't helped your education much.

Well I heard it. It was laughable. Really embarassing. Apparently New Zealand doesn't exist though, cos I've never seen it.

This Dryhorce bloke is a total embarassment! Best fans award! Well I suppose if you have never achieved anything else in life every award counts! Even those from the 90's shared with 22,000 other people, assuming he was present of course, and not sitting in a village hall somewhere in South Ayrshire with 24 cans of Kestrel watching STV with his best mate Brucie, the Cumnock over 80's booling champion.

We have led everyone a merry dance here. Rangers will be back in the spl on monday due to us highlighting the wrongs of a div 1 entry. Charles will then repay the remainder of our nlc debt and we will begin our rush back up the leagues to join our Glasgow brethren. Whoowhaha its worked a treat.

Your signature and comments almost give credence to rangers fans bigotry. You just cant leave it alone because you feed off each other. Could you lot not just piss off with them, cause 7 old firm derbies arent enough by at least 32 games. Its like watching two dingos fighting over a jobby.

and WHILST WE ARE ON IT - PERSONAL PREJUDICE MANY OF US ARE FROM BRIDGETON, AND ARE THEREFORE FROM MIXED FAMILIES I.E. CLYDE AND RANGERS FANS. THERE IS THEREFORE NO PLEASURE TAKEN FROM SEEING THOSE FAMILY MEMBRS WHO ARE GENUINE RANGERS FANS SUFFER, BUT THAT'S NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULD NOT DO THE RIGHT THING. ANYONE MOCKING RANGERS FANS OUT OF PREJUDICE IS NO BETTER THAN SOME OF THIER 'FANS'

If Newco are not allowed back in through a strangely effective and brave outbreak of voting for radical change (but probably without too much thought as to how to fix the whole structure afterwards) will Celtic then buy Portsmouth (or similar), and follow up on their threat to play in English leagues? This could be quickly followed by New co buying Bournemouth and the derby is back on. Hearts will then lead the SPL for 39 weeks before their bottle crashes, Motherwell will come with a late surge as their 17 earlier postponed home games are played through May & June. Crowds are up then at Firpark as their new commercial deal sees them play 4 home games back to back on a Sunday for £12 entry. Aberdeen lose 10 000 fans as they have no Iain Durrant supporters to hate - crowds are down to -1753 therefore. The Dundee derby becomes The Big One. Clyde eventually move back to Shawfield to take advantage of all the Brigton Derry roaming around looking for a game to go to on a Saturday afternoon - crowds are up and Clyde push through the leagues on the back of the revenues. Hibs win the Scottish Cup - nope, too far! Or maybe something more bizarre will happen!

This is a good point. Using Clyde as an example, the idea that someone was going to save us was not really in anyone's mind, except the wholly unreralistic. That meant we had to take control ourselves and raise the money. I believe something like £500k has been found over the past 7 years and we still have a club (in dire straits it has to be said), and therefore we have the possibility of recovering once the final £150k or so is paid off. Mistakes were made along the way, but saving a football club tends to be a one-time project and therefore experience is limited. The fact that Clyde are now owned by their fans means no one individual can leave us in an unholy mess gain - I think we were £1m -£1.5m in debt with little chance of reducing that. The CVA helped us enormously and we can see a day when we will be debt free. The downside of fan ownership is restricted competitiveness. However perhaps clubs like Rangers, Celtic and even Hearts should look to the concept that their days of being competitive outside Scotland have gone forever and focus on making the game here more attractive and competitive. The chasing of Eurpean glory and shareholder value will kill one of these clubs - we are not far away as we speak, but I still don't get the sense that many lessons are being learnt. The efforts of Rangers fans to provide funding and an alternative solution has been poor - but that's what happens when you think the world owes you a living.

We hold majority shareholdings in the EBT to avoid individuals/ small groups becoming too powerful and abusing their power. We don't pay salaries, bonuses etc through them, just use them as counter-weights to mis-use of power and influence. The EBT trustees can use their vote where they see decision making in the company not in the best interest of the beneficiaries (employees). We are therefore OK. Ironically, used properly, Rangers could have avoided all this with a similar structure and strong trustees. It's the future for clubs who don't hold outrageous & not-achievable European ambitions, but wish to compete in a well-structured, equitable , competitive domestic league only.

As a slight aside - EBT's are still legal. All our companies use them. We just use them legally and in the U.K. - not illegally and offshore for tax avoidance. Unfortunately this whole affair gives the ebt structure a bad name it does not need nor deserve. The greedy always screw it up.

Laughing, or just through forgetting to go as it is too interesting to drag yourself away?

It would have taken less effort to type - yes, they will go into the spl.

Without going through 3 weeks worth of postings As Rangers are an SPL team, liquidation, and reinvention would mean that they would go back into the SPL, NOT Division 3, as it is SFL. Is that a correct assumption? - clearly all other SPL sides would vote to have them amd their money back in asap, so no time in the lower leagues.

Oh and by the way, we'll have the 1949 Scottish Cup too.

Will the other clubs be big and brave enough to turn this situation to their benefit? Here is a once in a life-time opportunity to renegotiate some of the deals around SPL cash allocations and voting rights. Rangers will survive this in oneform or naother, but maybe with some help required. The others should use that as a negotiating position to extract changes.

So in a desperate attempt to find good news, would this mean no relegation and two up from Div 2?