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1 minute ago, paul wright scores said:
After an enjoyable afternoon in Perth I am hoping Arthurlie might make it a doubly good weekend for me.
Hopefully a decent crowd and they try and keep it tight to remain in the tie after today.
Come on the "Lie!!!
I'd love it if Arthurlie cuffed them.
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36 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Right as I've stated, I grew up in a Junior household. Surrounded by Ants people through and through, I'm pretty sure I was told some ancestors were involved in the clubs setup. Cousins from Barrhead Lie people again involved at club. Others followed Johnstone Burgh. Myself I went to Newlandsfield with my clan from Dormanside Rd, a pilgrimage on the 21 bus.
I was there when Mr Fulton had his day in the sun. My cousins at family gatherings still remind me about the 4-0 final. Our win 17 years prior is less important apparently.
So don't tell me I'm not a Junior man.
But firstly I'm a football man, I don't get this obsession with the SJC above all else. Yes it is a wonderful competition, but do you know what so is the League, the WOSFL Cup and the SRCC, at which I have seen some really good games between teams at different levels.
I understand the potential financial gain from getting to the latter stages of the SJC can prove vital funds for a club.
But in truth, like all cups it's only a half dozen games or so a season, so unless you get to the final or whatever is there really any monetary value to it. The league is the week in, week out bread and butter and all clubs should be focused on maximising footfall at these games.
One aspect about all this is how it is the SJFA that is pushing this.
I have no extra information to give myself, but how much revenue do the SJFA make out of running this competition with entry fees and the 2 legged semi finals on top if the final.
Why is it the only comp with this semi-final setup, if it was a one-off game at a neutral venue who pays for the 'hire' of the neutral ground.
As for prioritising a cup above the league; that is a complete joke and should not be up for discussion.
As an outsider it does come across as a money making venture for the SJFA.
Rant over, enjoy your Sunday off to do the horses.
Most teams will take whatever income they can get; that's just good, responsible stewardship. Cynics can't be applauding Talbot, etc for being self-sustaining and then criticizing those same teams for exploiting a completely fair and merit-based source of income. We've seen excellent crowds at the Talbot games (and other clubs games) in the cup in the post-COVID seasons. The reduction of the competition's geographical scope has arguably helped in this regard as we have had consecutive derbies against Cumnock and a couple of local grudge match ties v Darvel which have got the fans out.
Apart from the crowd at an end-of-season league decider, you can guarantee that a Junior Cup crowd will be significantly bigger and feel like more of an occasion than a league game v the same opponents. I don't know what that translates to as money in the bank but it must be worth it.
Most of the obsession about the SJC you mention comes from the "progressive" gang rather than the participants. I strongly suspect that most teams in the Junior Cup are there for pragmatic reasons now and fully realise that it is a shadow of what it was in the recent past. Many would most likely drop it in a minute if a more lucrative alternative cup was on offer - but there isn't, so if you're given melons you make melonaid.
Whether it's one game or half a dozen, it represents income that would otherwise be closed off to teams if we didn't participate - yes you get more the further you go; that's not an unusual way to distribute prize money, but it's worth the gamble that you could do a Yoker and get to the final.
If some clubs don't want a slice of this then that's their prerogative but they probably need to accept that other teams are getting on with doing the best for themselves. The fixtures could probably be managed better but it's not an impossible task to accommodate the SJC in its current, truncated form.
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You don't get more ambitious than putting your club badge on the ceiling.
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38 minutes ago, Darvel legend said:
Only bad thing about last night is the tie should be over , far superior team On the night and next goal in tie is very important , we get it it’s all over talbot get it it’s game on
People will be along to say you should never write off Talbot in the Scottish but we don't usually leave ourselves needing to overturn a two goal deficit.
I'll be stunned if we manage to pull it it off; we've struggled in the last four games and the wheels have come off the season a bit now. The outcome boils down to Darvel being clinical enough to finish the job.
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That was a strange one. We were distinctly second best but could still have had a few goals. Darvel should have had more than two and played well. The penalty looked like such a needless challenge. One of those that a clever striker will always make the most of and go down.
Apart from the game that was a terrific crowd and occasion tonight.
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2-0 Darvel, Wilson penalty
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2 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:
Nae score yet?
1-0 Darvel, Moore. Nearly HT
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2 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
Always a guaranteed 6 pts a season
Away to the gemme mate. Seethe you later.
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14 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
We just keep beating you it’s marvellous.
Ambitious.
Progressive.
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10 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
We get the cup for beating you 4 times in a row in the league
Possibly the most pitifully small time thing ever posted on here.
Enjoy your big seethy night in the house getting raging about a fitba tournament mate!
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8 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
Who cares,totally irrelevant.
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Talbot v Arthurlie final please.
The whole shebang doesn't usually get interesting until the second leg unless someone builds up a big lead in the first leg.
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22 minutes ago, energyzone said:
Fans at this level (especially those from Talbot by the way) are notorious for being critical of artificially funded clubs but Gartcairn seem to escape most of the attention. Compare the jibes directed towards Johnstone Burgh and Darvel (and previously Irvine Meadow, Hurlford, Kilwinning, Bathgate etc) to the relative silence towards Gartcairn. At least it was mostly clear who was funding those clubs whereas all we've been told about Gartcairn is that the funders are a bunch of like-minded businessman in some sort of jolly business venture, investing in a club with no fans, while Airdrie and multiple other pre-existing clubs are a short distance away, all of whom would have welcomed the cash injection.
They are warping the financial landscape at this level just as much as those other clubs but there is a curious lack of conversation here about it. Maybe the source of the finances is legitimate but it rings alarm bells for me.
In all seriousness I have no idea why anyone would chuck money into Gartcairn. I think they've just sort of gotten on with it rather than court the media for attention so they won't be on your average fan's radar like Darvel and JB.
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34 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Anyone want to try and summarise the video?
Two guys chewing the breeze
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33 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
McDowall is going to grow the crowds in the West but he can’t get anyone to go and watch Gartcairn despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on players?
Sounds like you're having a pop at a progressive and ambitious club who are just trying to do their best there or are Gartcairn now part of the Junior Illuminati as well?
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13 minutes ago, Broomhill Ultra said:
Surely that 60/40 issue leaves the SJFA massively open to suggestions that they stand to benefit directly from certain big teams getting to certain rounds of their competition? And operate at a loss if clubs with considerably smaller fan bases do.
It's not much of an accusation unless you're implying that they are somehow manipulating the draw to ensure big teams get to the business end
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11 hours ago, megaspinnernet2 said:
If you listen hard enough you can hear Bestsinceslicebread screaming homophobic insults while tied up in the boot.
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6 hours ago, Clangers said:
I have just read this full 23 pages and as a complete outsider who only goes to Dunfermline games, but works with lots of people involved in EoS and LL I am not surprised that the rest of football think the WoS have a arrogance insular attitude.
The suggestion that this isn’t a massive conflict of interest just shows how backwards certain clubs are, definitely looks like the big Ayrshire clubs are bitter that football has moved on. Some of there fans have come across as arrogant c***s who feel free to denounce the opinion of anyone that doesn’t fit there agenda.
Funny thing is these teams think themselves better than Linlithgow, Bo’ness but are shitting the bed to move up
If you're allowing the content of this shit show of a thread to influence your opinion then it doesn't say much for your capability of critical thought.
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10 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:
I'll qualify this by saying you're one of my very favourite posters on here but...grown men who dote on cats are OFTW.
How do you feel about birthday cakes for dugs?
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On 09/04/2024 at 09:23, BANKIEBILL said:
Apparently not enough. Even my cats think I'm a twat and I feed the wee fcukers... * I love my cats
Let me guess...
Jimmy Catskie and Davie Mewper.
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1 minute ago, GIRUU said:
I was down on Sunday to pick up my tickets I had ordered and was told there’s over 900 away before the first leg which I thought wasn’t bad. Wasn’t many people about right enough but presuming cause of the old firm?
900 for the Darvel end? Not bad if true.
I know (think) Talbot ended up with 600 full price and 300 concessions. No idea how they're selling.
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43 minutes ago, Darvel legend said:
If this weather continues the second leg will be played first week in July
The forecast is hellish. Can Darvel use the hundreds of unsold home end tickets to soak up some of the moisture?
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A mouthwatering "Junior Takeover" this weekend with all eyes on the semi finals of the only cup that counts.
No matter what the score is Junior Football is sure to be the only show in town!
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6 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
CEO of the SJFA is nomintated for the role of Chairman of the WoSFL. Not only a conflict of interest but a very unusual move, undelined by the change in WoSFL rules to allow it to happen - ie board members can't be associated with any other association, apart from the SJFA.
Then there is talk of a proposal to make the SCC entry non-compulsory for WoS clubs with the Junior Cup taking precedence. Coincidence?
In light of that, it's reasonable to form an opinion that some people/clubs wouldn't be averse to rolling back the years in the west, and that this could be a first step.
Whether any of it happens remains to be seen of course, but it's all very......odd.
Have we even established whether he holds a position with a WoSFL club to even be a board member to begin with?
It sounds like ifs buts and mibbies are doing a lot of heavy lifting here but cheers for a normal reply.
I think the guy should be chased if half the conjecture posted on this thread about him is true.
We're only talking one guy here though so how much influence does he actually have? I have no clue how the power structure is set up but have presumed up to now that he's one blazer among many and probably something of an outlier in the grand scheme of things.
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Yes, I know the feelings of the Pyramid Karens. they want to speak to the manager.