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I totally understand fans wanting to mark other notable fans passing at a game, but I tend to agree with the original point that there is too much of it now tbh. Former players and managers of note, yes, but I'm sorry but beyond that I'm not that for it. Playing devil's advocate a little here, but where do you draw the line? Who decides which fans are and are not worthy? Going to sound crass, but at some clubs, if you had a minutes applause for a fan of a certain age on that minute, you'd be applauding the whole game for someone. Not to mention that I think an applause in itself isn't the best marker. For me, it should be a minutes silence to remember someone. Where I do think marking a passing is appropriate is for banners or something amongst the fans themselves. On the applause/silence for folk outside the game, not for me tbh. If you want to have a minutes silence for a king, Queen, politician etc, then there will be an appropriate place for that. A football stadium is not the place.

The irony is that had he given it, they'd have been looking for every reason not to. As much as it went against my team this time, let VAR only be involved as an absolute last resort (ref hasn't seen or really isn't sure) or black and white decisions. In a way, you could argue the big long VAR checked killed any chance for Saints as it knocked any momentum for those last few mins.

We'd deserve it tbh. Would arguably be your biggest achievement since relegating your future merger partners a few years ago.

I think a semi ok performance just papers over the cracks a bit. Decent enough passages of play, but no real direction. You can see some of the players are not committed enough. Too many times we times we get into final 3rd and players are too afraid to have a shot at goal. Really hope the new owners bring a bit of professionalism to the organisation getting into the ground. Massive ques in East, not for turnstiles but for security bit and slowest pie stalls. Small things, but irk before you even get to seat.

We can resume in the post split game between us. I haven't seen it back tbf, but looked in real time to me that it shouldn't have been a goal. On the one hand, I'd have loved it to be given, but by not giving into VAR, the ref possibly had his best decision in the game. He was piss poor otherwise. Odd game. A win for either team or a draw and you could have argued it fair enough. Dundee have a good squad and maybe in comparison to previous years, have more quality and less reliance on a few individual players. I mean this as a compliment, Dundee remind me of St Mirren from a few years ago when you could see the build up of the squad pretty clearly.

Don't think so. Those 2 blocks are open usually for all away fans. We then open up sections of the North when needed for the category B like games and if needed by the bigger team, Utd, Aberdeen and the Glasgow & Edinburgh clubs, we open sections of the Ormond stand.

Had totally forgotten this guy even existed. Joins the list of players like Mark Campbell, John Henry and Neil Janczyk that I know played for us, but I have zero recollection of.

Yes, 3 times in last decade, but aside from my own side, the ones that stand out are the '91 final as it had everything, pre during and post match. The Utd '94 win as it was massive for them and against a very very good rangers side and the Killie win v Falkirk at it was so refreshing to see 2 provincial clubs fight it out and not being at Hampden added to it. I think having won both the league and Scottish cups has given a feeling that we can/will do it again, obviously, but seeing ICT, County and Livi doing it too should give every club hope, even the smaller ones like Morton, QOS and Dundee.

For me, it's good management. He knows both players probably most of any in the squad, so will know what kind of boot they need. Neither for me, especially Max, can gave any arguments about not starting. Some others need calling out to be fair, but slightly different situations as these two are still (for now) here for next season, whereas you call out others who will soon be out of contract, they might down tools and we need all of them for the run it. Players need to step up and realise the club is in a massive risk of going down and do they (especially the Scottish ones,) want to be the ones to break the long streak we have been on in top flight? For what it's worth, I don't think we go down even if we finish 11th (I don't think we'll finish 11th) as I think Utd will win the championship and we'd take Raith in the same way we beat ICT reasonably comfortably.

100% this. Don't want hark back to the Wright days, as in some ways player v player comparisons are clouded by rose tinted specs a bit, but, what Wright was able to do was only focus on either direct replacements or upgrades in a few areas, not the mammoth overturn we have had of late. That allowed him to focus better on what was needed. He knew he had a core of players he could build a team around and what would work well with the players he already had.

Not having Phillips contribute much in terms of goals and assists would be fine if he was the midfield disrupter and others were getting the goals and assist, but we have all our current midfielders not contributing enough to goals. Phillips, Max and Smith, (could even throw in Crawford and MacPherson) are all decent technical footballers, but offer way way to little in terms or real offensive contributions. Possibly unfair on Philips as he breaks things up and Smith does try to get the ball forward, but generally, the are not contributing enough. I'll be proved wrong with stats I'm sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if our midfield have net backwards and sideways passes vs forward and if it is positive to the forward, it won't be by much.....

Phillips will be a miss only if the squad stays as crap as it is. Decent player looking better as he is surrounded by utter dross. Think he'd be a good signing for Hearts/Aberdeen/Hibs to be fair. Probably only leaves 3/4 players left in current squad that I'd be bothered if we lost.

Probably not his place to comment on how good or bad the squad is either way. However, have to keep in mind that we have new owners waiting to come in and he will be wanting to make sure there is not too much negativity around the current squad. The more the silence goes on re the new owners, the more I think that they seem genuinely interested, but also more or less confirms to me thst any sale is dependent on us staying in the top flight.

Pretty much where I am too. I cannot identify with any of the players. Just seems no heart or fight in any of them. Not something you'd ever have been able to say for the last 15 years. Unless the new owners come in shake things up on and off the pitch, then even if we do stay up, fans will just not bother.

Personally, as a non Dundee fan, I really want to see this built. Obviously still would want Dundee to lose on the pitch, but I'd rather see all of our clubs thriving off it and much better for home and away fans going to a properly configured modern stadium. Yes, there will be loses from dens in terms of history and character, but for me, far outweighed by the benefits it would bring. Not an expert on planning in Dundee, but I cannot see that there should be any massive barriers there to it bring build. Not really near houses and if a new access of the Kingsway is made, bar for an hour or so every other Saturday it will not have a massive impact surely. I do have some scepticism as to whether the thing actually materialises any time soon. Not because I don't think the owners want it or anything, but its been mooted for such a long time, like other stadiums (Aberdeen being the big comparison), that until there is spades in the ground folk will be cautious.

I think when you saw his face and body language after his couple of mistakes vs Livi, he knows he is done and I'd be amazed if he isn't retired or drops divisions in the summer.

To be fair, he can't really say much else. He cannot really come out and slam the quality of the squad when they are still in a relegation battle. Also, with prospective owners in the wings, wouldn't look great if current CEO basically says we are sh!te. I'd be amazed if some of the current squad get new contract offers. Provided we are, as soon as we are mathematically safe, contracts will get offered and I'm pretty sure the new owner(s) will be confirmed. Whether the like of Phillips will sign is another matter, but nothing will happen pre that. Little risk as there isn't many you'd be gutted to lose tbh.

Have we not got growing lamps too. If nothing else, the goalmouth should be getting them used on them.

Saints were the usual pish. Midweek clearly a blip. I suppose the only positive is that we have enough battle to get a draw out of that game. Livi, ooft. Game was there for the taking, but in a way, the antics to break the game up worked against them. Livi fans seem decent folk, but I doubt anyone will miss the club from the top flight. Bit surprised after Saints equalised Livi didn't go looking for a win. A point does nothing much for Livi tbh. That pitch though! Don't think we use it for youth games etc, so how does it get so much worse week to week?

As much as Galloway is a total cretin, more people elected him MP for Rochdale than elected Sunek as PM. I suspect no one really buys this whole moderate let's all be friends bolox from Sunek. Believable if he hadn't been leading a party which is full of racists and bigots. Tonight was just another piece of the whole culture wars rhetorical BS that some clever spad will be dreaming up as the tories only way to avoid a total wipeout at the GE.

Ditto. The mental thing is that a competent Lib Dem should be absolutely cleaning up in this GE, but they are just so meh and offer nothing in the way of alternatives. If someone could do a Macron and create a real centralise party that doesn't have the baggage of others, they'd clean up.

Whilst this result is notable in its own right, there is an element of folk using it as a massive protest vote, safe in the knowledge there a GE coming soon. However, it might also point to something a bit new in UK politics. In some seats, you will have this shift to 'far left?' Or however you want to define Galloway and in others, you will get a shift to the far right. Will all be local and locational. For all the current Tory part are touring the far right and Corbyns Labour courted the far left, neither party really want the extremes to gain momentum. Probably makes the case for proportional representation stronger. People will still feel they can vote for parties that are smaller and marginal and that their voices are heard (however much we might not want to hear some) and you wouldn't get extreme results like last night.

Saints had a gameplan, applied it well and had fight. That will see you right in most games. Polar opposite for Aberdeen. Looks to me that Aberdeen players don't realise they are in a relegation battle. Maybe not straight down, but playoffs real possibility. If nothing else, other teams seeing what Beji can do when he gets in behind defences means they have to react and sit deeper, which gives us more space.