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15 hours ago, Doonhamer1969 said:
Perfectly illustrates that the SoS can't be that bad if Lowland League Gala could only beat Newton Stewart reserves 2-1
It was a tremendous performance and effort from those on show and heart breaking to lose at the death as we looked towards extra time but certainly proved on any given day the South’s better sides could defo compete with at least the bottom half of the LL . We. and others probably might not be able to keep that up over a whole Season I’ll admit as was shown when Threave struggled in the Lowland but the standard isn’t as poor as a lot of the posters assume. We can obviously see the difference against the higher level opposition but the sparsely populated region we live in makes it difficult with 15 sides competing for the best players available to realistically sustain the level required ! Perhaps through time if the South did merge with the West to some degree the better level week in week out would help the progression for many teams and give them a target to aspire to in the long term
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14 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:
I had my stag and got married in the postponement season! Nae footie both dates!
The South Committee and our rivals here in the SOSFL are in general very accommodating for such occurrences however we ( and we can’t be sure who ) found the LL and or Gala let’s say slightly less helpful ! We found this strange considering they’d be favourites for the tie regardless of who we had available on the day and I’d certainly like to think most League set ups and adversaries might given the obvious free week for both in that first round date have been slightly kinder given their obvious advantages in terms of players and finance
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22 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Mibees the cost of having the wedding in the summer was far more than any potential win bonus for reaching the next round of the SCC? Saving a few grand v one extra tie in a competition they weren't gonnae win anyway. No brainer
It undoubtedly would’ve been Asim as the bonus for taking a LL scalp in terms of Gala was around zero as it is for all South teams I’d expect in the SCC and the only reward was another lengthy , expensive trip for another even more incredibly hard tie away to BSC
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24 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:
18 months in the planning? And he hadn't noticed it was a Saturday in the football season?
Don’t think his wife gave the proverbial flying f@<€ to be honest but we had hoped from a home tie where 2 or 3 of the lads ( my apologies ) we’re actually attending the evening reception only 20 miles away therefore being in Galashiels effectively snookered that scenario !
I do get what you mean though , surely she could’ve been more considerate
but the aim of the post was to highlight the potential hazards of fixture scheduling / rearranging rather than trying to decipher the thinking of the fairer sex which clearly won’t bring ‘football’ in to the equation
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On 14/04/2020 at 08:45, cmontheloknow said:
If league takes priority, any club in both the big Scottish and the Junior Cup is going to have a headache. Say Talbot for example, playing big Scottish on the date everyone else is playing Junior Cup, they won't be (unless league is very accommodating) be able to postpone a league game the following weekend as they can do now. Perhaps the sensible option is that it is only Junior Cup if no other cup commitments. Sour milk and off honey for some perhaps!
Highly unlikely to happen in my opinion as we had a 2nd Round South Challenge Cup tie last September away to Gala that clashed with the Wedding of one of our team ( well over half the side attending all day ) that had been almost 18 months in the planning so we simply suggested that we meet on the first round date in August as we’d both received byes and that Gala have theit fixture for the earlier date rearranged , we’d given them maximum notice from the day after the draw ( around 6 weeks I believe ) ! The host Club were open to the possibility despite our obvious disadvantage if they refused however the LL point blank ( apparently) wouldn’t alter the fixture despite being only a few weeks into the campaign and surely could easily have ‘fitted’ this fixture in further down the calendar ! To say we were disappointed would be an understatement but in fairness to our hugely depleted side we only lost 2-1 to a last minute goal ! Clearly I’m suggesting no one regardless who you are should look for any favours in scheduling / rearranging matches where the LL is concerned or at least that was our experience
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59 minutes ago, Cameron Wilson said:
I think the SOS deserves a lot of respect for supporting the pyramid since its foundation. In all honestly it probably doesn't matter what tier it's at as I can't see any SOS team ever bettering an EOS or WOS league champion in the future.
But has anyone considered that perhaps the number of clubs and / or population under each region should come into consideration when weighting promotion play off places? If the new WOS has 66 or so clubs battling for one promotion place to the LL, it doesn't really seem to follow that the SOS only has 15 teams going for one place.
Your initial support quickly became a what if ! After the initial Season there will only in all probability be one 16 team League battling for ONE place like there currently is in the East ! The 3 way play off solved things in the first season in the EoSFL when there were 3 Conferences
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1 hour ago, Marshmallo said:
I can read so I'm streets ahead of that balloon
I’m currently sitting in the garden with my second
after a hards days weed pulling and talking pish online but can I suggest just for today we call an amnesty for poor Mallo ! Let’s give him a break even just for an hour or two although in fairness I’m assuming after 2 or 3 more I’ll back track on my own advice 
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1 hour ago, Pyramidic said:
I just hope that the SoSFL can keep its club numbers up. Given the dearth of potential replacements there maybe increasing pressure to allow in a few Development/Community sides from Senior clubs within the WoSFL region.
I suppose the other option is that if numbers in the SoSFL seriously reduce in the next few years, this may be the factor to facilitate a planned amalgamation or general incorporation of clubs within the WoSFL.
I’d estimate in my opinion as long as the numbers hold things will be fine but if there’s a dramatic change in the next couple of years anyone with any ambition will look to the West like several have flirted with already ! I’d say in all honesty it wasn’t the Junior big guns that was the deciding factor for most to not even contemplate any potential move but the thought that once the initial Conference season was over with its varied mix of Clubs and levels it was more the thought of what happens after that in the long term ! Potential regionalisation for any future Conferences / Divisions would make far more sense and be a lot more appealing for Clubs already with limited budgets
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4 minutes ago, weeredbook said:
No ,the Sunday league is lad's who only want a game on a Sunday nothing else. They are not interested in a pyramid set up .The league has went from 2 leagues to 1. Although quite a lot could play S o S because of the standard .
I’d agree with WRB that many of the players in the amateur League could do a decent job if they wanted to take in the training / travelling of a Senior side in the South but many are content to choose a localised Sunday game which is fair enough
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6 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:
They wouldn't drop 2 tiers, they would go into WoS top division.
Or the South ( highly unlikely ) as I know Dalbeattie dread this prospect
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7 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Certainly not the way its meant. I know Scottish football moves to slow for that. You're going to get the 3 way playoff for one place in LL for a couple years most likely. Then a second promotion spot will hopefully open, which could be a time for further changes or the SoSFL remaining exactly where they are at Tier 6 now they have an increased chance of promotion.
We realise the chance of promotion isn’t great and that’s putting it mildly as we may depending on how the play off works out have to attempt to beat both the East and West winners which we all know is highly unlikely at best but there is a chance the West might not be licensed at this point then it’s a shoot out with the East increasing the chances albeit only by a slim margin ! The LL for the vast majority in the South is no more appealing that any trip to the far reaches of these Central belt Junior teams and here in lies the crux of the problem for everyone ! Many applicants to the new West are far more centrally based for travel and financially in a far better position to cope with the demands of the West / East or LL and that unfortunately is the underlying problem that many in the South would face
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25 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Because Dumfries & Galloway isn't SoSFL territory. That's like saying Perth & Kinross is EoSFL territory.
Now from below I can quite clearly divide up WoSFL v SoSFL. So there's no overlap.
Is Lochar Thistle hidden under Heston
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27 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
I never said anything about next year.
1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:The advantage is in staying in the SoSFL. Tier 6 status in a settled league and will be written into the LL pyramid playoff rules. So they will have a say in future changes as well as current ones.
If they had joined the WoSFL this year they may have gone from Tier 6 to Tier 9 as some of the discussions has been over using the Conference set up this year to form every division. Which could turn out to be a vote that sees 16-16-16-18 rather than a regionalised bottom tier.
SoSFL can sit it out. Let the WoSFL sort itself out. Then slide in as a South Division or equal status to the WoSFL's bottom tier if that was deemed more preferable in future.
If they had joined WOSFL this year implies
you were referring to next year but I might've picked you up wrong however my point still stands about the sliding in thing
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36 minutes ago, G4Mac said:
The South of Scotland causes no harm where it sits at tier 6, it doesn't delay anyone from progressing and certainly won't impede things going forward.
It is at tier 6, it has equal place along with the wos and eos in voting rights and playoff places.
It is heartwarming to know though that because the wrsjfa clubs have now arrived that the pyramid is saved and we should all be put to our rightful place in the system folk helped get off the ground.
If the champion of either wos, sos or eos league isn't licensed they don't play in the playoff, so what harm is it to have the south in place where it is? If their champion is licensed, wins the playoff and earns promotion fair play to them, if they aren't licensed they don't play.....whats the harm?
Or is this more to do with a footballing class system whereby the bigger more powerful clubs think they should tell every other club where they should be playing? Here is a sobering thought though, if the wos champion isn't licensed by next season, they don't play in the playoff. Does that mean that they should move down a tier?
I think you’ve effectively nailed this point and should it be held against the West’s winners next year if as you suggest they might not be Licensed in time for any play off ? They’ll clearly not be involved and should they then be demoted for their failure to meet the basic requirements of promotion after all the hullabaloo about the South’s potential Champions and the standard of their League
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24 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Is there any clubs from D&G playing who could even potentially move to the SoS apart from Kello? It doesn't strike me as a hotbed of amateur teams looking to take a step up or youth teams looking to add a senior side.
Dumfries has a fairly substantial Sunday League with several decent sides but in general it’s the overall costs incurred by a Senior Club that will deter most from considering the step up I’d estimate ! There’s nothing in the West of the region any more and ultimately if there’s ever any future merger with the West then Girvan , Maybole , Kello obviously , Craigmark etc would be the closest current junior sides to the normal South geographical area
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1 minute ago, honestman54 said:
No hints of any applications to the SOS league after Bonnyton's move?
It’s not looking that way now
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9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
The advantage is in staying in the SoSFL. Tier 6 status in a settled league and will be written into the LL pyramid playoff rules. So they will have a say in future changes as well as current ones.
If they had joined the WoSFL this year they may have gone from Tier 6 to Tier 9 as some of the discussions has been over using the Conference set up this year to form every division. Which could turn out to be a vote that sees 16-16-16-18 rather than a regionalised bottom tier.
SoSFL can sit it out. Let the WoSFL sort itself out. Then slide in as a South Division or equal status to the WoSFL's bottom tier if that was deemed more preferable in future.
Why would they want to ‘slide in’ to Tier 7 , 8 , 9 or whatever that level may be next year ? Surely they’d have been better taking the gamble now , hoping to draw a decent(ish) Conference then have potentially a reasonable season and finish maybe mid table avoiding the need to potentially drop several Tiers in the future ? Just a thought
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21 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:
The only shift in voting power will be that the WoSFL will have a seat on the SFA's Non-Professional Game Board. Exactly the same voting power as the SoS.
Are you then failing to then realise that the LL , East and new West would all have votes , so where would that leave the South in any power struggle / shift in thought process
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17 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:
Will Newton Stewart (and other ambitious SoSFL clubs) in the future be faced with the issue of contravening "geographical integrity" and not be permitted to make sideway moves to the WoSFL? The SoSFL hold a very strong bargaining chip and are on an equal footing with the EoSFL and emerging WoSFL and you may well find that by not taking advantage of the current window you have allowed the door to close.
We fully appreciate this and it certainly was a huge consideration ! If the ‘boat’ has been missed by some in the South perhaps , and we can’t speak for anyone else , we like many posters on here suggest that there may well be some sort of amalgamation in the future and should that come wouldn’t we at that point potentially as has been suggested all along be at a level where we could realistically have a better chance of competing at a level ( of sorts ) playing field ?
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8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
The very last critieria for entry to the EoSFL.
I meant coat hangers actually believe it or not
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8 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:
You may be right, so why not have it as a regional league within the WoS structure with a pathway for those clubs who do have an apetite and the means to progress?
Regionalised would clearly be a better option although not necessarily to everyone’s liking ! Scottish Cup trips I can assure you are in general extortionate affairs with little chance realistically of success although they are usually the highlight of the calendar and I’d encourage everyone to go for a License if they can. The longest trip for us currently are around 150 miles to Sanquhar for the Nithsdale match and although it’s perfectly acceptable it’s not something anyone financially really needs on a week in week out basis and it’ll be the same for those at the opposite reaches of the South region ( Uppers , Caley Braves and at the time Bonnyton etc ) coming this way to ourselves , Creetown , Wigtown and add another 50 round trip to Stranraer. We actually relished the thought of the new West it was an incredibly exciting option but in all fairness at this moment in time wasn’t the best move for the Club or our young team - another couple of Seasons in the South gaining experience and who knows what the future might hold !
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Just now, Andy88 said:
Does everyone that has applied come up to the correct standard. Pitch size 90x 56 metres. Separate changing rooms with seating and clothes hanging facilities for 22 people. As per the Entry criteria set out by the EOSFL. That is to be mirrored across?
That’s Bonnyton out before they’ve started then
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4 minutes ago, edinabear said:
It's totally unsustainable for the SofS to remain at Tier 6. I would expect that to change in the next couple of years. How many in the SofS actually want to get promoted? 2-3 at most?
Share your inside info with us ....... who are we talking about here ? I’ve said previously near 200 mile round trips aren’t too appealing for Clubs on limited budgets but hey as you say it may happen and one day soon once all the voting power shifts !
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7 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:
I don't want to be in big trouble.
Honestly it’s not a problem ....... we’ve heard it all before and will again no doubt ! At least it gives folk something to talk about I suppose
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This old gem again ! Hold on , tell you what why doesn’t everyone just bend over backwards to appease the former Juniors who’ve finally decided their set up needed to be refreshed for the good of the / their game’ !
Everyone gets the strength of some of these teams but it simply doesn’t give anyone , you included , the right to just bounce in here and say ‘you know what , let’s punt the existing teams down a tier or 3’. Any future amalgamation may well happen and if or when it does fair enough folk will deal with it but until then spare everyone outside your bubble this old ‘everyone is pish nonsense’ , it does tend to get tedious after a while.