D Angelo Barksdale

Viking ton is probably the main proponent of this type of patter, but I don't know if it originated with him. Stuff like seething is now just part of the p&b lexicon, there's even a poster called Seething. Here's the full board.

Beginning to think it was rewritten by a p&b poster.

Putting the lads through a punishing pre season workout.

**Fantasy Golf Week 14** Midnight Bullet train to Georgia Hideki Matsuyama became the first Japanese man to win a major championship. A popular winner for sure, and an interesting Champions Dinner menu next year no doubt. Does big Sandy like sushi ? The expected challenge by the chasing pack never really materialised, Speith and Schauffele briefly threatened until the later took 6 at the par 3 16th. It was left to young Bernhard Langer/Happy Gilmore's caddy/Will Zalatoris to provide the challenge. He finished a stroke behind Hideki and marked himself out as one for the future round here. Bob did us all proud finishing T12, securing an invite next year and records the 3rd highest finish by a Scot at Augusta in only his 1st start. There were double points on offer here, so good news for those who had Matsuyama and bad news for those who transferred him out last week. Standings 811 @J_Stewart 754 @die hard doonhamer 721 @Mr Kane and the lemon cafe 702 @alta-pete 690 @Tartan Dave 649 @peasy23 649 @Ro Sham Bo 613 @lichtie23 582 @Henderson to deliver ..... 544 @Distant Doonhamer 443 @Honest_Man#1 The Race to Whistling Straits The Road to the Masters was of course won by @J_Stewart, unfortunately his selection of Tommy Fleetwood to be top European and the charity each way bet of Bob MacIntyre did not return anything. We now start the Race to Whistling Straits with another couple of free bets dished out to the top points scorer between the Masters and the KLM Dutch Open which is the last event before the Ryder Cup. Race to Whistling Straits 164 @peasy23 148 @Distant Doonhamer 140 @J_Stewart 120 @Ro Sham Bo 112 @die hard doonhamer 104 @Tartan Dave 72 @lichtie23 72 @alta-pete 56 @Mr Kane and the lemon cafe 40 @Honest_Man#1 24 @Henderson to deliver ..... The European tour is back (again) and we've finally made to continental Europe after 3 months in Africa and the Middle East. We're putting our lederhosen on and journeying to the Diamond Country Club just outside Vienna. This one is quite long by Euro Tour standards, clocking in at over 7500 yards and there's water in play on 9 of the 18 holes here. Should be fun. A decent field headed by world no.1 DJ, has assembled as the PGA tour stays in the Deep South with a short trip across the border from Georgia to South Carolina for the RBC Heritage at the wonderful Harbour Town Golf Links, our 4th Pete Dye design of the year so far. Built in 1969 and considered a turning point in American golf architecture, visually intimidating from the tee and requiring straight hitting drives and precise iron shots to small greens. Some lovely postcard par 3's here with the railway sleepers fronting the bunkers and 2 cracking finishing holes heading towards the 2nd most famous lighthouse in golf.

I don't mind, although maybe someone who just missed out on promotion or a play off from Division B should be offered it before me. As long as everyone else is ok with it.

I'm not trying to change your opinion here, just pointing out that you're wrong, something you get quite often on this subject by your own admission. This isn't how handicap's work m8. I don't think I'm the one getting worked up about this tbqhwy.

They were terrible shots, the first two especially which came up short of the hole. The fact that after that he twice continued to attempt such a high tariff shot is all on him. The correct play was to hit it in the middle of the green, take his medicine and walk off with a 6 or a 7. The shots weren't on target because the target wasn't the pin, it was either higher up the green in order to use the spin and slope, or it was in the middle of the green. You're using two isolated incidents of player's being out of position and not executing correctly to write off a course as clownish. Which is silly. What about all the players who walked off those holes with birdies or easy 2 putt pars ? Should we write off Carnoustie as nonsense because of Jean Van De Velde ? Sloping greens and firm and fast greens are part of a course's defences. The slopes can help as well as hinder the player. Shelves, tiers, run offs etc are all standard features of golf courses and could very well be classed as a 'hazard' like bunkers and water. This is all basic stuff. The idea that a hole or holes are a 'farce' or a 'shambles' because a couple of players make a c**t of it, while the majority walk off with birdies and pars is ridiculous.

They weren't 5 pretty decent pitches though were they ? The first was a terrible shot landing on the downslope well short of the hole, the 2nd and 3rd were barely hole high with an enormous amount of backspin taking them down the slope. It was only then he changed his angle of approach on the 4th attempt, which was a bit unlucky. Finally, he played the correct shot from a suitable angle and the spin left him a straight 12ft putt. The 15th hole still played the easiest on the course that year, despite Garcia's heads gone, Tin Cup nonsense.

Disagree with all of this. The course is set up to reward good shots, punish bad shots and give average shots a chance to recover a par. It doesn't strongly favour a particular type of golfer. The list of winners includes left handers, short hitters like Zach Johnson and for a course that has 'unplayable greens', average at best putters like Garcia, Scott and Matsuyama The penalty for being above the hole, or on the wrong tier here is severe, the players know this and can play accordingly, leaving themselves a 20 ft putt for birdie, or risk it with the knowledge that there's a possibility of a big number. The short par 5 15th is a prime example of this and a great strategic hole. If it was an easy up and down for birdie from the back, then the water at the front becomes irrelevant as the pro's would just know that going long carries no penalty. You would as well be making it a long par 4. This course is far from unplayable, it's just very difficult and punishing if you're out of position on your approach or on the green, the number of birdies made and the historical winning scores, on only 6 occasions in the last 35 years has the winner shot less than -8, is testament to this.

You make some good points in your post, but this is just nonsense. As a tournament venue, and from a strategic and architectural point of view, it's easily one of the top courses in the world.

He got the job done today, but he won it yesterday with a quite phenomenal display of ball striking.

The Olympics will be a good laugh, no foreign spectators, the whole crowd will just be following Matsuyama round the course.

Guaranteed a Europa League group place I think.

Hearing Harman missed his birdie putt.

He had a similar meltdown in Phoenix a couple of months ago when in a great position to win.

Schauffele is the new Finau.

That was sensible, take the 6.

A 6 then 3 pars should still be enough.

Why ?

Xander to make eagle on 15 and birdie on 16 to make it interesting.

Would be happy to just listen to a feed of Speith and his caddy, rather than McGinley and Murray.

Speith is 52nd out of 54 in the field for strokes gained putting.

Matsuyama was wobbling at the start and Schauffele, Rose and Leishman let him off the hook. Left it to young Willy Z.