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For the benefit of Wee Fifer and others the record of Glenrothes Juniors is quite impressive over the last two decades compared to Thornton Hibs.
I have placed in mustard the 4 occasions that Thornton have been higher over a 20 year period.
I think a lot of unfair criticism is being aimed at Glenrothes just because they have left the Junior fold. With an influx of Kelty U20 players it will be very interesting to watch their revival in the EoS this coming season.
GLENROTHES JUNIORS
? Joined Scottish Juniors Fife Region
2001-02 Scottish Juniors Fife Region runner-up
2002-03 Founder members of Scottish Juniors East Region Super League
2004-05 Three points deducted
2006 Relegated to newly formed Super League Division One
2006-07 Scottish Juniors East Region Super League Division One Champions
Promoted to Super League Premier Division
2010 Relegated to Super League Division One
2012-13 Super League Division One renamed Premier League
2015 Relegated to North Division
2015-16 Scottish Juniors East Region North Division runner-up
Promoted to Premier League
2018 Promoted to Super League on league re-organisationSEASON LEAGUE P W D L F A P POS
1999-00 SJ Fi 28 14 5 9 62 42 47 7/15
2000-01 SJ Fi 28 14 10 4 87 30 52 6/15
2001-02 SJ Fi 28 17 5 6 66 28 56 2/15
2002-03 SJ E-SL 22 7 5 10 25 26 26 8/12
2003-04 SJ E-SL 22 6 8 8 24 26 26 8/12
2004-05 SJ E-SL 22 10 5 7 43 35 32 * 6/12
2005-06 SJ E-SL 22 5 7 10 23 31 22 10/12
2006-07 SJ E-SL1 22 13 6 3 43 24 45 1/12
2007-08 SJ E-SLP 22 8 4 10 34 39 28 9/12
2008-09 SJ E-SLP 22 8 6 8 27 43 27 7/12
2009-10 SJ E-SLP 22 2 4 16 30 57 10 12/12
2010-11 SJ E-SL1 22 11 3 8 56 39 36 4/12
2011-12 SJ E-SL1 22 7 7 8 39 42 28 8/12
2012-13 SJ E-PL 22 3 3 16 23 46 12 11/12
2013-14 SJ E-PL 30 15 8 7 66 44 53 5/16
2014-15 SJ E-PL 30 8 9 13 45 55 33 14/16
2015-16 SJ E-N 28 20 5 3 82 19 65 2/15
2016-17 SJ E-PL 28 10 3 15 42 62 33 11/15
2017-18 SJ E-PL 30 11 4 15 68 66 37 9/16
2018-19 SJ E-SL 22 3 4 15 24 65 13 12/12http://www.fchd.info/GLENROTH.HTM
THORNTON HIBERNIAN? Joined Scottish Juniors Fife Region
2002-03 Scottish Juniors Fife Region runner-up
2003-04 Scottish Juniors Fife Region Champions
Promoted to East Region Super League
2005 Relegated to Scottish Juniors Fife Region
2006-07 Scottish Juniors re-organized. Placed in East Region, Central Division
2009-10 Scottish Juniors East Region Central Division Champions
Promoted to Super League Division One
2011 Relegated to Central Division
2012-13 Central Division abolished, switched to North Division
2014-15 Scottish Juniors East Region North Division Champions (thanks to
Downfield having 15 points deducted)
Promoted to Premier League
2016 Relegated to North Division
2016-17 Scottish Juniors East Region North Division runner-up (lost title
on goal difference)
Promoted to Premier League
2018 Promoted to Super League on league re-organisationSEASON LEAGUE P W D L F A P POS
1999-00 SJ Fi 28 19 7 2 87 20 64 3/15
2000-01 SJ Fi 28 14 8 6 78 30 50 7/15
2001-02 SJ Fi 28 17 5 6 62 34 56 4/15
2002-03 SJ Fi 22 17 3 2 59 12 54 2/12
2003-04 SJ Fi 18 12 4 2 39 16 40 1/10
2004-05 SJ E-SL 22 4 4 14 34 60 16 12/12
2005-06 SJ Fi 24 7 5 12 35 54 26 8/13
2006-07 SJ E-C 22 8 1 13 34 45 25 9/12
2007-08 SJ E-C 22 13 4 5 56 21 43 4/12
2008-09 SJ E-C 24 13 1 10 44 37 40 5/13
2009-10 SJ E-C 26 19 4 3 69 35 61 1/14
2010-11 SJ E-SL1 22 2 5 15 32 60 11 12/12
2011-12 SJ E-C 24 8 3 13 54 80 27 8/13
2012-13 SJ E-C 24 9 4 11 46 63 31 7/13
2013-14 SJ E-N 30 16 3 11 97 62 51 7/16
2014-15 SJ E-N 28 19 4 5 93 42 61 1/15
2015-16 SJ E-PL 30 6 8 16 44 71 26 14/16
2016-17 SJ E-N 28 21 5 2 100 25 68 2/15
2017-18 SJ E-PL 30 12 9 9 59 47 45 6/16
2018-19 SJ E-SL 22 12 2 8 51 37 38 3/12http://www.fchd.info/THORNTOH.HTM
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43 minutes ago, G4Mac said:
The west of Scotland is, and always has been, a penalty kick. It wouldn't take much to form and the sfa wanted the entire block to move over as a one. Rightly so, the eos and LL rejected having another set up at the same level in the east. Mr Johnston used this as his vehicle to delay the clubs in the West joining the pyramid, citing that his mandate was for everyone over as a one.
...while conveniently ignoring the "Wildlings of the North" who could remain happily outside of The Wall. (for Game of Thrones Fans)
NB: The Wildlings are a group of people who are located beyond The Wall. They describe themselves as free folk, not bound by the oaths and loyalties of the Seven Kingdoms. They are considered savages by the rest of the Pyramid (Westeros), due to their barbaric lifestyles and worship of the Old Gods of the Forest. Maybe the East Region should join them!
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1 hour ago, naebor said:
A few of my mates have been playing for these clubs, and some not all still pay pretty decent wages this season, so immediately some clubs are okay but can’t predict the future on if this is sustainable or not.Thanks for the feedback - it provides a useful insight into the competitiveness of the ERJFA "South". I for one think that Junior supporters are likely to be happy enough with the localised format. What they are unlikely to be happy with is if there is a further downturn in the "quality of the product" if the better players migrate to the EOS.
Is the ERJFA Superleague South going to be roughly equivalent to ERJFA Premier League (2011-2018) or a lesser animal? Time will tell.
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While supporters and Committee members of ERJFA clubs south of the Tay have shown tremendous loyalty to the grade, I suppose players' loyalty is mainly to their pay packet.
In this respect I am on dodgy ground. Can the likes of Whitburn, Kennoway, Fauldhouse, Pumpherston, Livingston, Armadale, Bathgate, Lochore, and Harthill continue to compete with the pay packets of EOS Premier clubs? I suppose if EOS are forking out on ground improvements, the ERJFA clubs can continue to filter a greater proportion of their revenue to players' pay packets.
However, I take the point that there will be far greater kudos for a player to compete in the Senior Pyramid in the East with the associated possibility of personal advancement up the tiers.
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54 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:
That’s exactly what I mean and it’s showing even in the Juniors as the WRJFA have been stronger than the ERJFA as they’re not effected much by the LL same probably for the Tayside clubs but the Edinburgh, Lothians and Fife teams have to complete for players and in my opinion the EOS will now weaken the ERJFA.While supporters and Committee members of ERJFA clubs south of the Tay have shown tremendous loyalty to the grade, I suppose players' loyalty is mainly to their pay packet.
In this respect I am on dodgy ground. Can the likes of Whitburn, Kennoway, Fauldhouse, Pumpherston, Livingston, Armadale, Bathgate, Lochore, and Harthill continue to compete with the pay packets of EOS Premier clubs? I suppose if EOS are forking out on ground improvements, the ERJFA clubs can continue to filter a greater proprtion of their revenue to players' pay packets.
However, I take the point that there will be far greater kudos for a player to compete in the Senior Pyramid in the East with the associated possibility of personal advancement up the tiers.
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8 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
If any club had balls it’ll hold a v.o.n.c in TJ at the agm.
There are some high profile examples of "Votes of No Confidence" on Football Executives
THE SFA might also be included in a VONC!0 -
TJ is the SJFA Secretary and is not a member of staff of the SFA. However he apparently works along the corridor from IM the Hampden Park HQ. Consequently it has been suggested that he will have been "fully in the know" about the emerging difficulties with Club Licensing (re floodlighting) and the problems of the ERJFA and WRJFA joining the pyramid at Tier 6. It is difficult to imagine TJ and IM not sharing a coffee break together and exchanging latest developments.
I would imagine that TJ will be questioned at the forthcoming SJFA AGM and he will be able to put up a smokescreen that any conversations of this nature have to remain private.
I hope that it cannot be construed that private interests are taking precedence over those of the Junior membership as a whole.
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Big game for Glenrothes on 4th July at New Central Park.
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Using the proposed 2019/20 ERJFA North Super template
North Super
Lochee Utd, Broughty Athletic, Tayport, Forfar WE, Carnoustie, Kirriemuir, Downfield, North End, Luncarty & virtually certain to be Kinnoull
for the 2020/21 season I would like to see the following:NRJFA North Super (formerly NRJFA Superleague) - 10 teams
Banks o' Dee, Bridge of Don Thistle, Montrose Roselea, Hermes, Culter, Maud Juniors, Nairn St Ninian, Dyce Juniors, Colony Park, Hall Russell United
NRJFA South Super (formerly ERJFA North Super) - 10 teams
Lochee Utd, Broughty Athletic, Tayport, Forfar WE, Carnoustie, Kirriemuir, Downfield, North End, Luncarty, Kinnoull
Champions to play-off.
There would be North Premier (remainder of clubs in North Superleague and Division One)) and South Premier (formerly ERJFA North Premier) below with promotion and relegation link to North and South Super.
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Using the proposed 2019/20 ERJFA North Super template
North Super
Lochee Utd, Broughty Athletic, Tayport, Forfar WE, Carnoustie, Kirriemuir, Downfield, North End, Luncarty & virtually certain to be Kinnoull
for the 2020/21 season I would like to see the following:NRJFA North Super (formerly NRJFA Superleague) - 10 teams
Banks o' Dee, Bridge of Don Thistle, Montrose Roselea, Hermes, Culter, Maud Juniors, Nairn St Ninian, Dyce Juniors, Colony Park, Hall Russell United
NRJFA South Super (formerly ERJFA North Super) - 10 teams
Lochee Utd, Broughty Athletic, Tayport, Forfar WE, Carnoustie, Kirriemuir, Downfield, North End, Luncarty, Kinnoull
Champions to play-off.
There would be North Premier (remainder of clubs in North Superleague and Division One)) and South Premier (formerly ERJFA North Premier) below with promotion and relegation link to North and South Super.
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13 hours ago, superbigal said:
Was originally proposed but dropped to 3.
Leagues
North Super
Lochee Utd, Broughty Athletic, Tayport, Forfar WE, Carnoustie, Kirriemuir, Downfield, North End, Luncarty & virtually certain to be Kinnoull
South Super
Whitburn, Thornton,Kennoway, Fauldhouse, Pumpherston, Livingston, Armadale, Bathgate, Lochore & Harthill
South Super looks rather inbred and I for one am not salivating on how it is going to turn out. However if the South Super clubs wish to remain outwith the Pyramid in a "ERJFA bubble" that is their choice which I fully accept and respect.
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47 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
You do realize it was a lot of the East Region clubs that came up with format? It wasn't forced on them.
Of course. It is my understanding that the West Lothian and Fife clubs have forced the issue. The Tayside clubs reluctantly accepted the North and South Superleague format in order to prevent another round of defections to the EOSL. Am I wrong?
It is going to be a dreadful competition in my view but with a bit of tweaking as suggested in my previous post it could be strengthened and made much more interesting for Junior supporters.
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57 minutes ago, Vollyman said:
The Mickey Mouse Format is used by the SPFL in the Championship, SPFL1 and SPF2 and has been the format for a few years.However when the junior use this format it seems to be all wrong,what a load of childish nonsense.
As you are so well informed what format do you propose for the ERJFA? Do you really think that managers in the East Region's new North and South Superleague are going to be happy playing the same old 9 teams when looking over their shoulder they can see that the EOSL are able to format their Division 1 Conferences so that players are competing against 23 different teams.
You appear too eager to criticise without putting forward anything positive and progressive.
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This was the ERJFA structure being suggested for the 2019/20 season back in March.
We now have the possibility of 4 new teams:Linlithgow Rose Juniors
Bo'ness United Juniors
Syngenta Juveniles
Dunblane Soccer ClubThis will give a possible structure of:
South Super (10 teams)
North Super (10 teams)South Premier (10 teams)
North Premier (9 teams)
This in my view represents a very poor structure when compared to the East of Scotland as teams will be continually playing each other in a "Mickey Mouse format" in the small localised divisions.The structure of the EOSL is as follows and HibeeJibee and the EOSL Committee are to be congratulated in coming up with an innovative and progessive format with a special mention for the two EOS Division 1 conferences that can be likened to the US Soccer Conferences.
So in contrast a team in the South Super (such as Thornton Hibs) will have league games against 9 different teams whilst a team in EOSL First (such as Glenrothes Juniors) will have league games against 23 different teams.
Which League provides the more attractive proposition for supporters? The EOSL without a doubt.
However in my view there is no reason why the ERJFA should not use the EOSL format which would see teams in the South Super playing home and away providing 18 fixtures and then getting an additional 10 fixtures by playing the 10 teams in the North Super (using the EOSL format). This would mean that sides in the the 2 SuperLeague Conferences would each get 28 fixtures playing 19 different teams. A similar format could be used for the Premier League Conferences.Above all using the EOSL format would I hope bring the two Leagues much closer together which I hope would eventually result in the South Super and the South Premier being subsumed within the EOSL.
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This was the ERJFA structure being suggested for the 2019/20 season back in March.
We now have the possibility of 4 new teams:Linlithgow Rose Juniors
Bo'ness United Juniors
Syngenta Juveniles
Dunblane Soccer ClubThis will give a possible structure of:
South Super (10 teams)
North Super (10 teams)South Premier (10 teams)
North Premier (9 teams)
This in my view represents a very poor structure when compared to the East of Scotland as teams will be continually playing each other in a "Mickey Mouse format" in the small localised divisions.The structure of the EOSL is as follows and HibeeJibee and the EOSL Committee are to be congratulated in coming up with an innovative and progessive format with a special mention for the two EOS Division 1 conferences that can be likened to the US Soccer Conferences.
So in contrast a team in the South Super (such as Thornton Hibs) will have league games against 9 different teams whilst a team in EOSL First (such as Glenrothes Juniors) will have league games against 23 different teams.
Which League provides the more attractive proposition for supporters? The EOSL without a doubt.
However in my view there is no reason why the ERJFA should not use the EOSL format which would see teams in the South Super playing home and away providing 18 fixtures and then getting an additional 10 fixtures by playing the 10 teams in the North Super (using the EOSL format). This would mean that sides in the the 2 SuperLeague Conferences would each get 28 fixtures playing 19 different teams. A similar format could be used for the Premier League Conferences.Above all using the EOSL format would I hope bring the two Leagues much closer together which I hope would eventually result in the South Super and the South Premier being subsumed within the EOSL.
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Edinburgh Sports Conference:
https://edinsportsconf.co.uk/
Thinking outside of the box I think that some of these speakers ought to know what the SFA have been up to re the Club Licensing fiasco.The event is supported by Football Legal who have been informed about the Bonnyrigg Rose Licensing affair.
Scroll your mouse over the delegates that will be speaking at the event.
https://www.football-legal.com/
NB: I have no connection with Bonnyrigg Rose but in the football world word gets around.
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24 minutes ago, pie n beans said:
They have everything in place but are content to play local teams, stoneyburn, livi, West Calder etc, the committee are basically a couple of families who do a great job, but they really need to move with the times, a few seasons ago they had a great social media outlet only really rivalled with Talbot it was that good, all that's gone also, i saw a tweet from them over the weekend saying the club is moving in the right direction, they finished 4th in the South division for goodness sake, the committee really need to move the club on to someone who can drive the club forward, not take it backwards.
I cannot criticise clubs like Bathgate that wish to remain in their current localised set-up - that is their choice. However I do wonder if the decisions that many East Junior clubs have made to remain Junior relate strongly to the age demograhic of their key Committeee members - 70+?
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8 minutes ago, GordonS said:
League structures should be based on what exists on the ground - where clubs are, and where the road network takes you - rather than on mathematical purity.
I agree that mathematical purity should not be the objective but a working structure that operates in a fair and transparent manner.
I think that a firm starting point for the SFA should be to appoint a high profile Pyramid Officer / Non league Liaison Officer with the task of educating clubs (a key step in overcoming the current misunderstandings, misinformation and mistrust circulating among many Junior clubs) and assisting those clubs that wish to follow the Licensing route (working with clubs who may face initial Licence problems). Above all there is a need to promote harmony.
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The English FA are now one season away from delivering a "pure" Pyramid. See attached example from yesterday's Non League Paper. It would be interesting if Spyro or FairWeatherFan could produce a spreadsheet showing what a Scottish "pure" Pyramid would look like. Sadly the SFA currently lack the skills or will to develop a progressive Pyramid. So sad!
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SFA reply:
" I appreciate that the floodlighting criteria was added during your application process. We found ourselves in the unusual position of having 12 clubs apply for membership at roughly the same time and had to consider the impact this influx would have. "THIS IS AN UTTER DISGRACE - what a justification from a National Football Association!
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Be nice if the SFA paid some attention to the petition but I am not holding my breath.
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20 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
Last I heard it hadn't progressed beyond pulling together a few people to look at it.
Has it occurred to you BM that if Dalkeith and Blackburn had not been joined by the other 24 clubs, Blackburn could now be looking forward to Lowland League football (given your finishing position in the conferences). Imagine the shock waves that would have sent through Junior football - East and West.
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23 hours ago, The Informer said:
It was a SFA board decision, therefore cannot be appealed to the governing body. There is an option to go for independent arbitration, that would be Bonnyrigg’s best option.
At least there is the planning consent approval that Bonnyrigg can now raise:
When can work start on the erection of the pylons?
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This really is great news:
Full details available on the Midlothian council website: https://planning-applications.midlothian.gov.uk/OnlinePlanning/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PL5WIKKVGOL00 .
Hopefully copies of the planning permission have already been sent to the SFA.
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Junior football, what is the future?
in Junior Football
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Given the log-jam that would have surfaced right in front of him back in February why did TJ not call an EGM to explain the problem to the Junior membership and to cirucumnavigate it in the case of the West Region (assuming that the WRJFA clubs wanted to come on board and join the Pyramid separately).
I question whether self-interest / job preservation was put well above the interests of the clubs?