Kenneth840

You're right, mask slipped. Cant be arsed anymore.

Only B

No we don't.

If you want Independence for Scotland, I cannot understand how you see this as a wonderful thing to witness. Its fucking crazy. I want an Independent Scotland, a Scotland that will have control of its own monetary and fiscal policy. A Scotland that will rightly be able to be the Giant of the renewables sector, same way that the middle East have done for their oil. This could be Scotlands second chance at generating a fund like Norway has. If we could only have a government that would recognise that and instead of putting a maximum limit, yes a fucking maximum limit to auction, one that sold out Scotland to the tune of billions. An SNP government that are happy to use Sterlingisation for however long it takes to pass the impossible tests it has set itself. That would have worked well recently. Let me add into this that SNP mps at westminster stood up and walked out on an MP that was fighting for Scotland in highlighting the injustice in the energy crisis. The SNP mps childishly stood up and walked out again, not for the first time, and ignored a Scottish Independence supporting party at Westminster. On something that will have an effect on everyone of us, energy. SNP are basically siding with the union. This is why I have decided to vote no. I may change my mind later, but currently it is no.

I think it is so they can keep their jobs and pensions. They have become comfortable.

On reflection, on reading the SNP economic disaster for Scotland, It is making me lean towards voting no. I do not want an Independent Scotland that is using the SNP plan for a future Scotland. How did it come to this, making a 100% pro Independence supporter question its views. Is this deliberate? I think so. If they keep this, I will vote no.

And WTF are Scottish Labour offering to bring to the table in an independent Scotland? Scottish Labour are offering nothing. That is the problem. In contrast the SNP are trying their best to prevent an Independent Scotland.

I read somewhere that the party that wins Independence goes on to rule for a number of years after.

The economic paper that was released on Monday and not at conference is disastrous. Clearly the SNP are not listening to their members, the members that have told them that sterlingisation is not the way forward in an Independent Scotland. This is painful reading. https://jonathonshafi.substack.com/p/the-currency-capitulation “I don’t understand why the Scots should leave the UK and remain with respect to monetary policy subject to what would then be a perfect dictatorship of the Bank of England. In monetary terms Scotland would practically remain part of the UK, without any representation in the UK parliament. One would wonder why a nationalist political party in its right mind should take the risk and expend the enormous amount of political capital needed to win another popular vote on Scottish sovereignty.” Why would we? “If independence has become what feels like a single issue campaign for EU membership, there should be a rock solid plan for entering the EU upon independence. Yet, remarkably, the Growth Commission, talked up as the negotiating position following a Yes vote, would inhibit EU membership because the proposal for Sterlingisation with the UK would leave Scotland without monetary policy autonomy, as the Growth Commission report admits.” When pressed on this, the First Minister can only offer sleight of hand. She says that, despite the need for an independent central bank, Scotland could still apply for EU membership. Sure. But I could apply to be the Chief Medical Officer. Unless I can show the relevant qualifications, it is a futile act. Who are we paying? Are they on our side? Then we get the investment programme. This is going to create an ‘oil fund’ of £20 billion (that’ll be the oil money spent again). But then the capital investment over the first decade is going to be funded by oil (that’s it spent three times). In reality there is no oil fund, it is revenue spending. In fact it later admits that oil revenue is only £1.5 billion a year so it will borrow the rest. Which means that as best I can tell from what information is in this, Scotland is going to get through the first ten years of independence by borrowing only £5 billion. That doesn’t include borrowing to fund deficits, but we’re not told anything about that in the fiscal section. https://robinmcalpine.org/this-paper-answers-nothing-this-government-has-no-answers/ I’m worn out pointing out that almost no western European country survived Covid without Quantitative Easing or a bailout from the IMF. What would have happened during the recent Sterling crash? There is just no serious information in this section, but lots of words. Scotland the country has no lender of last resort under SNP plans, only its banks. Where this degenerates from obfuscation to comedy is when its investment programme is mentioned. This is going to be an investment programme of £20 billion and its list of what its going to do with that money is stupendous. I mean really enormous. As in many, many, many times bigger than the money they are going to spend on it. Where is the rest of the investment coming from? It doesn’t say ‘privatise everything’ – but then it doesn’t say ‘austerity’ either and we seem to be getting that. It then takes all the criticisms of the Growth Commission and makes them go away by assuming that you don’t know what monetary policy means, or will fall for their ‘its a central bank, honestly’ line. It has Scotland rejoining the EU through the power of wishing for it very hard, doesn’t really have any solution for the border and proposes that Scotland basically stops investing in itself for a decade. You can pick your reason for getting off this mad, mad bus. It could be because you think a government should have some form of lender of last resort to save it in a crisis. It could be because you’re not keen on austerity. It could even be that you’re not keen on not being told how much austerity is proposed. It might might be because you realise they have no economic plan for Scotland. It could be because you believe climate change is real and that we need to invest more than one per cent of GDP in it over the next decade. It might be because they’ve failed to come up with any answers for trade or borders. Or it could be because the whole thing is utter pish. Pick your reason, but for god sake get off this mad, mad bus.

Yes, it should be temporary, during the negotiation period. Just as you say, the pound will lose value when we leave, so why are we going to be using sterling?

Where does the SNIB money go to though? Who has received it?

Would be better than sterling.

Yes, I wouldn't mind being part of a Union that works.

I am a broken record. Sterlingisation will ruin Scotland.

And your solution is? No blah blah blah. What do you suggest we do?

Yes, but where is the money going? If I am not mistaken, Scotland will need its own currency to apply for EU membership.

We need to get away from domestic law, move to international law. But more importantly, assert this as political, not legal.

The difference is that our First Minister, Nicola, has already said it will have no effect. That is the argument that is being made.

Where is your evidence that Craig Murray is a moon howler? It is not in that article you quoted.

You are a problem. Why the f**k would you want to do that? Take your arse out of your head and breath.

Has the Scottish National Investment Bank been set up in the way you say it is though, as a future Scottish Central bank?

Sterlingisation will be a disaster for an Independent Scotland. We need our own currency on day 1. But try explaining that to thickos.

At least appoint a person that can fight the case. FFS

Its the go to response. Whataboutery. "Its not our fault its the tories." Yes is it your fault. 2015 we had 56/59 Mps at westminster. We could have done a hell of a lot better than asking a uk court whether the sovereign people of Scotland can hold a referendum. It is more time wasting.