Jaggy McJagface
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43 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said:
Normal stuff again.
Israel places great importance on getting good PR, fostering public support from western populations and “winning” the propaganda war due to its reliance on the West for security and prosperity.
I find it quite staggering to see that pretty much every Israeli elected representative/ambassador/spokesperson have been coming across as unhinged lunatics in these past few weeks. To accuse the SG of blood libel for what was actually a very measured statement is beyond the pale.
They seem to have gone the Trumpian route instead of trying to position themselves as rational and statesmanlike, and I could see public opinions on Israel hardening as a result.
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I find it interesting that an actual ground invasion hasn’t even occurred yet and public perception of Israel in the west seems to be swinging against them, despite their social media astroturfing blitz. Our government and official opposition’s position on the conflict seems to be pretty out of step with public opinion.
Is there a chance - however unlikely - that Israel could shite out of a full scale invasion and we see some of the tension start to dissipate?
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21 minutes ago, Donathan said:
Serbia
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Slovenia
North Macedonia
Kosovo
Montenegro
I'm not sure if there's any further prospect of Bosnia and Herzegovina splitting into their two separate parts like Serbia and Montenegro did.
Now that would be a tasty World Cup qualifying group
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14 minutes ago, beefybake said:
The subject of my comment was a recording. And it was being examined by two experts, Palestinian ( I think ). Not Hamas.
They also referred to the horizontal arc of the missile that air exploded shortly before, as being not equating to it landing on the hospital.
As I recall, the Ch4 news segment ended with saying that the recording needed independent investigation.
Me ? It seems odd that if either Hamas or Islamic Juhad had access to something that could cause all that damage, they would
have used it long ago, rather than the rockets into Israel that they have typically used which have caused relatively minor damage to buildings,
and very, very occasionally a handful of deaths.
Er, yes, I have heard of the fog of war.
I’m not disagreeing with you. The fact the Israelis are clearly lying about the recording is very suspicious. My point is that Israel have previous for lying about things like this and are certainly lying about certain aspects now. They have shown that they certainly don’t mind bombing refugee convoys so I’m not meaning this to come across as a defence of the IDF.
On the other hand, many independent weapons experts seem to think that the crater and surrounding damage isn’t typical of an Israeli air strike and is more likely to be a faulty missile, although most concede it’s hard to say for certain. The fog of war means that we probably won’t know with absolute certainty what happened in this particular instance.
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34 minutes ago, beefybake said:
I watched Ch4 news last night. They spoke to several people who survived the hospital blast. Those people said they had received warnings/threats from Israel over several days prior that the hospital would be attacked.
There was a recording presented by Israel that they said was part of a conversation between two Hamas people.
In it, one person said that the explosion was one of theirs. The other person said to blame it on Islamic Jihad.
Ch4 then said that they had presented the recording to two Palestininan ( I think ) experts who said it was fake , and obviously so.
Dialects, intonations all wrong.
The balance of evidence in terms of the ballistics seem to imply it was in all likelihood a Gazan rocket rather than an Israeli airstrike, however the fact that the Israelis are clearly lying about or embellishing some aspects means you can be forgiven for not giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It’s a bit like the boy who cried wolf I suppose. The IDF have previous for completely making things up and blaming things on Palestinians, with the memory of the Al Jazeera journalist they killed being a perfect example.
The first casualty of war is truth, and I don’t think we should take Israeli or Hamas claims at face value as they both have a vested interest in lying about things.
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I think there’s no way we call up a 4th striker and it’s really a battle amongst Nisbet/Shankland/Brown/Stewart for that backup striker spot, unless someone has an unbelievable season.
Since Hickey can cover lb I wonder if Taylor will miss out. However, I do remember Clarke saying that Taylor’s place in the squad was important during last euros as we needed another lb to shape up as the opposition in training drills.
With a 23 man squad then one of Armstrong/Jack is definitely missing out. I think Clarke might prefer to take Armstrong as he’s a bit more versatile in that he could be deployed as a cm or further forward if needed.
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With the shift to 23 man squads, I’d expect the likes of Armstrong, Jack, Taylor and Nisbet to see their spots come under serious pressure.
I also think it’s highly unlikely we’d take 6 cb’s plus Tierney so at least one of Hanley/Cooper/McKenna/Souttar will miss out.
I think it’s very harsh and don’t see why keeping 26 man squads would be such a problem. I can’t imagine any of the managers will be very happy with UEFA’s decision.
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12 minutes ago, Donathan said:
Have you got a link to any of these articles?
I feel dirty linking the DM now! England centric but will also apply to us.
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1 minute ago, 2426255 said:
What publications? papers?
The Times, the Telegraph, the Sun and the Daily Mail have all posted articles about it in the last 24hrs. There’s yet to be an official announcement from UEFA but there’s probably no smoke without fire if it’s being picked up by multiple papers.
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A number of publications reporting that UEFA are planning to reduce the squad size for the finals back to 23 players.
I think this will mean it’s unlikely we see Doak in Germany unless he really kicks on at Liverpool. A few players who have been mainstays in the campaign will likely now miss out as a result which is very harsh.
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27 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Russia have been suspended by FIFA too, and Palestine are a FIFA member. Being suspended by FIFA would automatically see them suspended by UEFA, since FIFA membership in good standing is a condition of being a UEFA member.
There are arguments for and against banning countries purely for acts of war against fellow nations, but the Russia suspension absolutely could be used as a precedent. That was essentially driven by other members refusing to play against them - Poland and their players being the most vocal about that.
As it is, I don't see any reason why Israel wouldn't be able to play their matches next month anyway, even if they have to move them to a neutral venue. You can understand postponing this month's given how close they were to the Hamas attack, but I don't see what would stop games next month. Their country isn't the one being invaded the way Ukraine was.
I may be wrong but I think I read somewhere that Israel based players weren’t being allowed to leave the country? Presumably that would also be the case for staff too.
In any case, it looks like the situation could escalate significantly very quickly so I wouldn’t be too confident on them being able to play next month.
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Just now, Jeff Venom said:
How tf is it that difficult in 2023 to distinguish between:
Criticism of Israel gov, particularly Netanyahu and his extreme cronies like Smotrich =/= anti-Semitism or anti-zionism.
Support for Palestinians right to exist and it not be in a glorified prison in Gaza =/= pro-Hamas or pro-violence.
Mon tae f**k.
Israel and its supporters deliberately conflate the two in an attempt to deflect criticism of their governments actions.
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20 minutes ago, Donathan said:
Israel will absolutely be allowed to play like Ukraine were.
Unlike Ukraine - who had completed their qualifying group and were already in the playoff at the time of the invasion - Israel only have the one international window (which is next month) to play their remaining 4 fixtures before the playoff and finals draw are made in December.
It doesn’t look like the situation is going to be resolved by then.
The way the playoffs are structured means you can’t draw them in the first place until we know exactly who has qualified. The points totals of Switzerland/Romania/Israel also have a knock on effect on who goes in which pot for the finals draw. For instance, if Israel were to qualify automatically then Norway would get a playoff place as it stands, but if they were to finish 3rd then they wouldn’t. If they can’t play their games then the whole draw would probably have to be delayed.
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1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said:
Israel should really be given the Russia treatment and papped out of qualifying regardless.
I 100% agree but I doubt the powers that be at UEFA will see it that way.
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Just now, MarkoRaj said:
Still a long way to go, that projection has Israel and Croatia qualifying which I don't necessarily agree with. Apart from that things are starting to settle.
I think we'd want Italy to win against Ukraine to take them out of a potential 4th seeding spot.
I can just picture France/Scotland/Netherlands/Italy
This kind of draw is my fear as well. Frustratingly, it’s a draw that isn’t possible from pot 3 but is for pot 2. Hopefully Italy get the job done next month and we don’t have to worry about it, though.
I think the prospects of progression will likely hinge on who we get out of that 3rd pot.
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5 hours ago, Aufc said:
Got a question about the uefa ticket portal. Say I put in for some tickets now and win tickets for a game. What happens if Scotland are then drawn to play that same day but in a different city? Is there an option to then sell the tickets back to then try go for Scotland tickets via the portal? I won’t get tickets through the sfa.
The resale platform doesn’t go online until April. If you have tickets for another match on the same day that Scotland happen to be playing then they won’t let you buy tickets for the Scotland game.
I think you should be able to get around this by creating an account in a different email/name or getting a friend or family member who won’t be going to register on your behalf in this initial sales window and then either sell on or transfer tickets if needed in Spring.
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I fancy any combination of Sweden/Poland/Netherlands in March (assuming we aren’t in their groups next summer)
They would be competitive tests for the team but winnable games against higher ranked countries on the decline.
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That disallowed goal and the Hickey slip are both hugely frustrating what ifs. The difference between pot 1 and 2 in terms of the group we could end up with could be pretty huge.
Hopefully we get a kind draw for once!
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11 hours ago, BucksburnDandy said:
Path A with a Croatia v Italy final would be unbelievable. Disastrous for UEFA if one of those two miss out.
Path B, a huge drop off in quality, with two rotten teams in Iceland and Bosnia there. An Israel v Finland final should be a sure bet.
Path C, that Greece v Kazakhstan semi looks very hard to call, if the good Luxembourg turns up, Georgia could be in for a real test too. Tough one to call, quite an evenly balanced path.
Despite Kazakhstan and Luxembourg looking decent in qualifying, both of their groups are absolutely chronic. I would have Greece as heavy favourites to progress from path C.
It remains to be seen when/if Israel will be able to complete their remaining qualifying fixtures so not really sure how UEFA are planning to deal with that. Delaying their matches beyond next month would have a huge knock on effect on the finals draw and the composition of the playoffs.
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Middle Eastern leaders starting to pull out of meetings with Biden now. Looks like the situation might be spiralling unless the Americans decide to put Israel on a leash.
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Been pleasantly surprised by Jacob Brown
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2 hours ago, welshbairn said:
Indeed..
What an absolute lunatic
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14 minutes ago, ArabFC said:
Realistically this will be the last shot for a bunch of our current key players to get to a World Cup - notably Robertson and McGinn would be 32 and McGregor 33.
And we're in as good a position as we've been since 96-98 to do it.
Does anyone know the seeding setup for qualifying? Don't want no play-offs, lets top that group!
If it's based on Nations League rankings then finishing 3rd (or above) in the 24/25 Nations League group would make us pot one and finishing last pot two. If it's on FIFA ranking then we're currently 16th, but with a realistic chance of making it to 12th (currently Sweden) for pot one.
Anyway, I'm going to every Scotland game now to ensure I can get tickets for the party. I did the same for Brazil, but hey-ho
I’m sure FIFA seed by world rankings. As it stands I think we’d be in pot 2.
I think we’d need a really good euros and nations league campaign to threaten pot 1 in terms of world ranking.
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59 minutes ago, Hendricks said:
Scotland v Turkey would be some occasion and a team we've rarely faced. They, like us, will have an unbelievable support there.
Nah f**k that. 5 million Turks live in Germany so it’ll be like a home game for them and would be a nightmare finding tickets due to huge local demand. You’re right in that it would be a great occasion though, just hopefully later on in the tournament
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Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran)
in The General Nonsense Forum
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Pretty shocking that this went unchallenged.
Can you imagine the heads gone if someone had spoken about Israelis or Jews in this fashion? Unfortunately, the Palestinians seem to be fair game for all sorts of genocidal rhetoric.