thruthenight Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I feel Shinnie was overrated in his time here. When he arrived 3 years ago you could already see that he wasn't as physical as you needed to be to be in this Livi side, and he was more often than not a luxury that we couldn't afford. His best performances came this season, after the writing was already on the wall, when he tried to show more commitment and leadership, but I still don't think it was enough. No big loss IMO. Hopefully we get the list of who's staying and going in the next couple of days. Yengi is probably the biggest, most interesting name. Hopefully he and Shamal have clauses in their contacts that mean we can make money selling them on rather than letting them walk away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Yengi doesn’t seem like a natural finisher so I understand him being pushed wide if we play with one recognised up top, ie Anderson. It seems to me like that could be the case with Muirhead incoming. I was surprised at Yengi turning back so much yesterday. I would’ve like to have seen him take on the fullback and cross a few in. Seemed pretty ineffective out wide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 29 minutes ago, crispy said: Unsurprising I suppose. A player with a great touch and a good passer but I’m unsure if he’s specialist enough to nail a role in a well-oiled team this coming season. I’d forgotten about Omeonga. With Holt going it does leaving the question about how we fill that combative-destroyer space. At this point I think it probably needs someone more refined and composed than Brandon but he certainly has the energy and aggression for the role. I *think* Carson could be that man but would be interested to hear what others think. edit: when/how does this thread get punted to the diddy league forum? Holt took over from Bartley as the aggressive mid who was also cute enough to buy fouls to relieve the pressure in defence. Don't think Brandon has that in him yet, sure it was him outmuscled against Sevco where he was easily pushed off the ball and we didn't get a foul, when they scored. Holt knew how to position himself to get fouls in those situations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) You'd imagine that's what Carson has been brought in to do, the writing was on the wall late into January and it was a decent succession signing. Apparently Shamal could be away as well, which leaves us atm with something along the lines of this: I'm basing this on a 433, saw an interview with Sole last week where he said the reason he wanted to come was that he'd spoken to Martindale and he convinced him with the plan of playing an attacking 433 and getting wingers running at folk and crossing the ball into the box. GK: New signing, young backup signing RB: Finlayson (14 games at RB, 12 at CB last season for Linfield), Jamie Brandon. CB: Finlayson, Devlin, Nottingham, Donnellan. LB: Clarke, (Maybe Montano signs an extension?) CM: Carson, Stephen Kelly (really hope he stays), Sangare, Pittman. RW: Sole, Bradley, Teto ST: Yengi (Again, really hope he stays), Korboa, Muirhead LW: Muirhead, New signing? It looks like we're probably going to be wanting two guys for each position and rotating from there. That leads me to believe Kelly and Tete are likely away and we're still to sign: x2 CM, x2 LW, x2 GK, x1 LB - if the budget allows. It could well end up being one guy that can play LB/LWB/LW that covers 2 positions, i.e. Montano. Edited May 20 by ATLIS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Something like this, would probably be a very early projection for a starting 11 next season. Suspect a few could go so left those out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 End of Season Retained & Released List - Livingston FC Perfect timing as all above goes out the window now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Out of Contract and leaving the club Bruce Anderson Morgan Boyes Kurtis Guthrie Jack Hamilton Joel Nouble Ayo Obileye James Penrice Andrew Shinnie Automatic Relegation Release Clause and leaving the club Michael Devlin Jason Holt Returning to Parent Club after loan Dan MacKay Under Contract but Available for Transfer Stephen Bradley (at players own request) David Carson Mo Sangare Miles Welch-Hayes Out of Contract but in discussion Sean Kelly Cristian Montaño Under Contract Jamie Brandon Shaun Donnellan Shamal George Stephen Kelly Samson Lawal Michael Nottingham Scott Pittman Aphelele Teto (GBE Panel Required) Tete Yengi New Signings Confirmed Matthew Clarke Daniel Finlayson Ricky Korboa Robbie Muirhead Liam Sole Youth Players in First-Team Set-Up Sam Culbert Calan Ledingham Tommy Sharp Lucas Stenhouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 From the above, absolutely wild to me that we're "in discussion" with Sean Kelly. Disappointing that we weren't told anything about Nottingham being under contract too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 The good: Kelly and Tete look to be staying, no relegation clause. Devlin gone. The bad: Nottingham is staying, Kelly doesn't deserve a new deal, that under contract but up for transfer list (all of it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 minute ago, ATLIS said: that under contract but up for transfer list (all of it). Going to assume that translates to "will be away if another club wants to take them" which is disappointing. Or possibly the players he thinks we're more likely to get some kind of fee for - I was under the impression MWH wasn't bad for Dunfermline (though I never watched a lot of Championship football so might just be wrong) and was looking forward to seeing how he kicked on with us. David Carson being signed to play about 5 minutes then being available for transfer, despite having a load of Championship experience, is the kind of pointless thing that probably sums up Martindale's "process" over the last 18 or so months quite well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, LiviLion said: Going to assume that translates to "will be away if another club wants to take them" which is disappointing. Or possibly the players he thinks we're more likely to get some kind of fee for - I was under the impression MWH wasn't bad for Dunfermline (though I never watched a lot of Championship football so might just be wrong) and was looking forward to seeing how he kicked on with us. David Carson being signed to play about 5 minutes then being available for transfer, despite having a load of Championship experience, is the kind of pointless thing that probably sums up Martindale's "process" over the last 18 or so months quite well. That was my thoughts with MWH as well, it seemed like he kicked on and done well at this level. Him and Brandon fighting for the RB spot would've been great depth. Sangare, I'm convinced would absolutely smash it next season at this level, the lack of quality is made up by pure physicality which he could get away with. Agreed with the point re: Carson, absolutely puzzling. Had just figured it was an 'eye on next season' signing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Shaun Byrne released on a free by Dundee? Get it fucking done Livi. Bring him home. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieWhisky Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 What does he see in Nottingham? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrong Car Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Mixed feelings on the squad update I'm very glad Brandon, Stephen Kelly and Yengi are still here. Fairly surprised at the Carson one, however given our defensive signing he may have been competing with Brandon as a CM, however I'd have kept him. I'd also have punted Nottingham, however his fitness record and 'versatility' makes him a preferred option to Devlin. Given we've signed 3 wide attackers, I'm not surprised Bradley is away - a player who hasn't really developed since joining. I expected Hamilton to stay, as George seems away however the former's fitness record has been fairly poor this season. I did like Shinnie however the recent goal against Aberdeen by their youngster, and the way he was done by a simple one-two reminded me of watching Hugo Faria and Mark Fotheringham in midfield. If his fitness can be sorted, very happy with Montano's offer, and Sean Kelly seems like the sort of versitile player who we'll need in the Championship (just not as a CB) I make the squad as being (if all offers transfers are made) GK - George Def - Kelly, Montano, Donnellan, Nottingham, Clarke, Finlayson (plus Ledingham) Mid - Brandon, Stephen Kelly, Pittman, , Lawal Forward - Yengi, Murhead, Sole, Korboa, Teto (for now..) (with Sharp, Culbert and Stenhouse) Hopefully this sees us playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 rather than stockpiling CBs like last summer, with a fair bit of flexibility in the squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghLivi Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 minutes ago, CharlieWhisky said: What does he see in Nottingham? Wild. I assume he's triggered an extension and we've been stuck with him. Absolute shite. The best part of that announcement is that his partner in crime Devlin is gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menga Bus Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Byrne is a no brainer but got to imagine raith will be competing with us for that signature. If they go up they’ll get him. From what I’ve heard on Nottingham it’s another tragic piece of bad recruitment in the same vein as Parkes, where the player had the option to extend. He clearly knows he’s that shite nobody else will give him close to the money he’s on with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, LiviLion said: Going to assume that translates to "will be away if another club wants to take them" which is disappointing. Or possibly the players he thinks we're more likely to get some kind of fee for - I was under the impression MWH wasn't bad for Dunfermline (though I never watched a lot of Championship football so might just be wrong) and was looking forward to seeing how he kicked on with us. David Carson being signed to play about 5 minutes then being available for transfer, despite having a load of Championship experience, is the kind of pointless thing that probably sums up Martindale's "process" over the last 18 or so months quite well. Aye MWH done well enough and I'm really surprised you're letting him go. Played a couple of positions for us as well and looked good as a RCB in a back 3/5. I'd absolutely love Carson though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 MWH was really solid defensively but pretty limited going forward. Can see why he never really made it in the Premiership but you could do a lot worse in the Championship. Judging by a couple of his interviews he did while with us it's no surprise to me that he's transfer listed though. Don't think he was that enamoured with Martindale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey socks Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 6 minutes ago, par-adise said: MWH was really solid defensively but pretty limited going forward. Can see why he never really made it in the Premiership but you could do a lot worse in the Championship. Judging by a couple of his interviews he did while with us it's no surprise to me that he's transfer listed though. Don't think he was that enamoured with Martindale. Quite a few in that camp, mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 The refusal to admit Teto will never get a work permit is brilliant tbf, although I've no idea if you dropping a level makes it more likely? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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