phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 And anytime you feel the pain, hey jude, refrain,Dont carry the world upon your shoulders. Curse that MCL for making my name public! you & I are in a title battle for the top spot on the leaderboard! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Read Livi Lions. Your sorrow will soon evaporate Why do you read it if you hate it? What is your name on there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 With apologies for the ultra-long post:From the SFA Articles of Association: In summary: If Livi have grounds for appeal, the decision of the SFL is suspended The SFA can only overturn a decision and not, it would seem, a punishment Does rule 133.1.4 (4) - ' . . . or impose a lesser penalty in respect thereof ' not allow the SFA to alter the punishment without overturning the actual decision ? And given the excessiveness of the punishment ( remember no sfl club has ever received any punishment at all for going into administration ) is there not a chance that the SFA might reduce it. Also interesting to see that the penalty is suspended in this situation so Livi are still a first division club.Livi no doubt were aware of this before setting off down the appeals route and that is why they have refused to play third division games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Why do you read it if you hate it? What is your name on there? There's some absolutely top class comedy on there at the moment, like watching a fish flap about on the deck before it gives up and dies. I would advise anyone to pop in for a wee look. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Does rule 133.1.4 (4) - ' . . . or impose a lesser penalty in respect thereof ' not allow the SFA to alter the punishment without overturning the actual decision ? And given the excessiveness of the punishment ( remember no sfl club has ever received any punishment at all for going into administration ) is there not a chance that the SFA might reduce it.Also interesting to see that the penalty is suspended in this situation so Livi are still a first division club.Livi no doubt were aware of this before setting off down the appeals route and that is why they have refused to play third division games I'd argue no, because the SFL rules state that they can take whatever action they see fit. I would imagine the rule you quote only applies in cases where, for example, a club (or player) has been fined £20,000 when the maximum punishment set out in the rules is a £10,000 fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Why do you read it if you hate it? What is your name on there? C'mon surely you can work that out! There's some absolutely top class comedy on there at the moment, like watching a fish flap about on the deck before it gives up and dies. I would advise anyone to pop in for a wee look. Top notch analogy. It's a fascinating journey into a world of mass delusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblue1893 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 While not wanting to see the demise of another club after all my own club has previously endured. I for one will not lose any sleep for their tosser fans that brought the Hassan Kachloul flag to Dens at end of last season. Enjoy the third division. Small club now in a small division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 There's some absolutely top class comedy on there at the moment, like watching a fish flap about on the deck before it gives up and dies. I would advise anyone to pop in for a wee look. That is not comedy for me as I am most likely one of the dying little fishes grasping at the end stages of life, that you are all sniggering at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mybitchunderprotest Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Does rule 133.1.4 (4) - ' . . . or impose a lesser penalty in respect thereof ' not allow the SFA to alter the punishment without overturning the actual decision ? And given the excessiveness of the punishment ( remember no sfl club has ever received any punishment at all for going into administration ) is there not a chance that the SFA might reduce it.Also interesting to see that the penalty is suspended in this situation so Livi are still a first division club.Livi no doubt were aware of this before setting off down the appeals route and that is why they have refused to play third division games Sorry in advance for going over what is obviously well trodden ground, and it's kind of hard to avoid on a thread with as many posts as this, but is it not the case that the punishment only came about when the interim manager of Livingston Football Club advised the SFL management committee that he was unable to guarantee that the Club would be in a position to fulfil its league fixtures for season 2009-2010 and that the punishment is for this as well as being in interim administration. If my understanding of the above is correct then its hardly an excessive punishment, in fact it's downright lenient to allow the Club to remain in the SFL at all as they may not have been able to guarantee completion of any league fixtures regardless of the league that they were in. The management committee therefore, as they stated, gave the Club the best possible chance for surviving while ensuring the integrity of its top division. Hardly excessive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 C'mon surely you can work that out! No I can't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 That is not comedy for me as I am most likely one of the dying little fishes grasping at the end stages of life, that you are all sniggering at. Sorry about that, but I do prefer my fish battered with lots of salt rubbed into the wounds. None of that runny sauce shyte though, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Sorry about that, but I do prefer my fish battered with lots of salt rubbed into the wounds. None of that runny sauce shyte though, thanks. You are just inhuman! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 No I can't. OK i'm arguing with someone on the Failed appeal thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 You are just inhuman! I've been in a few humans, want to join the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Sorry about that, but I do prefer my fish battered with lots of salt rubbed into the wounds. None of that runny sauce shyte though, thanks. Fucks sakes That's one shitey portion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) overspend[/i]....which will lead to.....ummm........debt. indeed when accies were in the third they I think were fully part time and half our squad were part time when we were in the third.. its madness, and they still owe the debts too. Edited August 13, 2009 by Bryan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 indeed when accies were in the third they I think were fully part time and half out squad were part time. its madness, and they still owe the debts. Eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Eh? was discussing them staying full time in the third. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearealldoomed Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) I'm almost certain that Livingston's punishment will be overturned at some point, in which case I'm finished with Scottish football. Just how many fixtures will Airdrie and Cowdenbeath effectively have to replay when the inevitable happens? Both clubs potentially face one the following: 1) Regular pumpings in a league niether squad was built for, if the decision is upheld but neither club risks strengthening. 2) Signing players on the assumption they'll complete the season in their current division, only to be bumped back down with an increased wage bill to meet on lower gates. 3) Running on their current squads in SLF2/3, but being unable to challenge when Livingston are restored to SFL1 due to a chronic fixture backlog and fatigue from the additional fixtures in the "wrong" division. 4) No income for weeks if fixtures are postponed pending the resolution of this mess. Any of these is a disasterous outcome. This situation is absolutely shambolic. Why are clubs with no link to the guilty party having their season ruined by the inertia of the governing bodies and the petulance of the Livingston board? I couldn't care less about Livingston FC or their fans. I do care that my own club is effectively being punished for the wrongdoings of another. To paraphrase Paul Martin's quote from a few weeks back, this isn't sport as I know it. Edited August 13, 2009 by wearealldoomed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferryjambo Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm almost certain that Livingston's punishment will be overturned at some point, in which case I'm finished with Scottish football.Just how many fixtures will Airdrie and Cowdenbeath effectively have to replay when the inevitable happens? Both clubs potentially face one the following: 1) Regular pumpings in a league niether squad was built for, if the decision is upheld but neither club risks strengthening. 2) Signing players on the assumption they'll complete the season in their current division, only to be bumped back down with an increased wage bill to meet on lower gates. 3) Running on their current squads in SLF2/3, but being unable to challenge when Livingston are restored to SFL1 due to a chronic fixture backlog and fatigue from the additional fixtures in the "wrong" division. 4) No income for weeks if fixtures are postponed pending the resolution of this mess. Any of these is a disasterous outcome. This situation is absolutely shambolic. Why are clubs with no link to the guilty party having their season ruined by the inertia of the governing bodies and the petulance of the Livingston board? I couldn't care less about Livingston FC or their fans. I do care that my own club is effectively being punished for the wrongdoings of another. To paraphrase Paul Martin's quote from a few weeks back, this isn't sport as I know it. Aye you must be gutted about staying up for the 2nd season running due to default. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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