ICTChris Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 If he wants to work hard to get ahead, then what is the problem? Its no different from a Computing Student having a couple wee side projects on the go (say, designing a website, working on his own code). In an age of people scraping minimum passes and trying to do as little as possible, its nice to see someone actually put some effort in. Yes. I am teaching classes again this semester, ten hours of them! Didn't you read my previous reply? Working hard is gay. Consider yourself taught, 'teacher'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 If you knew what he was going home to you'd understand... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) But come on, 30 hours a week in the library? That's over 4 hours a day, assuming he's including weekends. That's a tad excessive for 2nd year. I suspect there may be some exaggeration, and I wouldn't expect it to be every week, or maybe he's a slow reader. Not an insult btw, some people just read faster than others! I'd call it excessive, but if thats what he wants to do then so be it. If I was to break up my undergrad years for (say) second year and not include timetabled time, then you have Computing, 2 Tutorials a week, so maybe 2 hours preparation for each. An hour and a bit before to work through the questions, and then a bit of time afterwards to ensure I understood. Then you had 4 labs a week (I can't remember the exact number for each course), so then an extra 2 hours, half an hour for each one, to make sure I was finished and happy with them. Then you had maths, which had weekly "homework", which was fucking difficult, so 4 hours for that! So thats 10 hours, and I wasn't really that hard a worker. During assignment time it went absolutely mental, with all nighters and long shifts, where 30 hours would be relatively normal for our class. So sure, his numbers are high, but they aren't exactly off the scale. I did a history course in first year, and so, so much time was spent reading stuff. Anyway, considering the PhD related tantrum you threw a few months back in response to some light hearted ribbing, I think you're the LAST person who should be commenting! Edited September 17, 2010 by xbl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Didn't you read my previous reply? Working hard is gay. Consider yourself taught, 'teacher'. I expect my students to work hard, otherwise they get insulted! I live in fear that one day I'll teach a class featuring a GN poster, and my whole mythos will be shattered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) But come on, 30 hours a week in the library? That's over 4 hours a day, assuming he's including weekends. That's a tad excessive for 2nd year. On, for example, a week where 2-3 essays are due, it wouldn't be that unreasonable. Most of the time, I can't see myself spending much more than 20 hours in a given week in the library, and probably about 25-30 hours including formal classes. As an example, preparation for a 2 hour seminar can involve as much as 100 pages of minimum reading (plus say 20 pages of the recommended reading) which will take me about 2-3 hours on and off, completion of 3 tasks, each which take up to 2 or so hours. That is a comfortable 8-10 hours preparing for that. Then I'll have shorter tutorials for other classes (granted, on alternating weeks). Typically they will take 2-3 hours each to prepare for properly, including adequate reading. That's easily 6 hours-worth. Then there will, periodically, be assignments to be handed in and assessed. I like to be thorough when I complete these, so that might involve 4-5 hours solid work on any given assignment. 20 hours' personal study in addition to 14 hours of classes is not outrageous. Edited September 17, 2010 by Ad Lib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 I expect my students to work hard, otherwise they get insulted! I live in fear that one day I'll teach a class featuring a GN poster, and my whole mythos will be shattered. If I was in one of your classes, I'd bring in cheesy wotsits and eat them all through your lessons. You are a phd student aren't you? I remember them being hit and miss when I was a student, some of them were excellent and really put thought and effort into seminars, some of them were useless and clearly weren't cut out for teaching. I suppose the lecturers were the same really - some of them were marking time while writing books and comment pieces, which was irritating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 You are a phd student aren't you? I remember them being hit and miss when I was a student, some of them were excellent and really put thought and effort into seminars, some of them were useless and clearly weren't cut out for teaching. I'm fucking brilliant. As assessed by those end of semester questionnaires, I get more positive feedback than anyone else in the department. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Unlike some I do a proper degree when actual work needs done most weeks. Do you consider medicine at Glasgow a proper degree? I have to say, its a tragic snapshot of our society where we insult people for having the temerity to work hard. There is a major distinction between "working hard" and "being a loser". A quote on P & B from Vikington has never struck me as being representative of a whole society. At least not until the revolution. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Do you consider medicine at Glasgow a proper degree? I'd say so, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I'd say so, yes. Well I've checked with a friend of mine who is doing said course and she doesn't spend even remotely that amount of time in a library. She's going into third year and - crucial point here - isn't a loser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Well I've checked with a friend of mine who is doing said course and she doesn't spend even remotely that amount of time in a library. She's going into third year and - crucial point here - isn't a loser. Congratulations. I also happen to know a considerable contingent at Edinburgh University doing Medicine, and whilst they don't spend as long doing private study in the library, they have a much higher number of classes than the lecture/tutorial sandwich Law or Arts based studends have, because of labs and placements at ERI. So it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 So it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, really. The established fact is 30 hours in the library = loser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 New library at Stirling is pretty good. Taken my laptop up a few times and it is a decent place for working. Campus.net is being utter shite though, I had to format my laptop the day before heading back through. Not only did I have issues with getting campus.net installed but my network socket turned out to be fucked too. On the upside, I saw Enigma yesterday! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Congratulations. I also happen to know a considerable… I stopped reading there, because it's a well known fact that you know nobody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I stopped reading there, because it's a well known fact that you know nobody. Is your definition of the word fact a statement vacuous of evidence and void of truthfulness? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Is your definition of the word fact a statement vacuous of evidence and void of truthfulness? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Well I've checked with a friend of mine who is doing said course and she doesn't spend even remotely that amount of time in a library. She's going into third year and - crucial point here - isn't a loser. There is a major distinction between "working hard" and "being a loser". From the sounds of it, you don't spend anything like that amount of time in the library, and yet... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forehead7 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 From the sounds of it, you don't spend anything like that amount of time in the library, and yet... That's because the library has blocked Pie and Bovril 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 On the upside, I saw Enigma yesterday! Indeed you did! It was a bit strange, I was just looking out my flatmates window and there you were! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gavin Sutherland Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Most people who go to Uni end up finishing Uni and end up turning into Junkies! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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