honestly united Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 They need to change the Tue regs. It should be changed to yes you can use them if you have a problem, but you cant compete while taking them, which I bet would cut it down. I mean taking it for hayfever or a chill is just an excuse for any advantage you can get. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Sagan takes the little known European RR Champ's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereismillar Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 On 15/09/2016 at 13:22, Salvo Montalbano said: Aye. I get that people might need anti-inflammatory or painkilling medication but the use of steroids when there are other alternatives, asthma inhalers for all these athletes with recently diagnosed "athletic induced asthma" (isn't that just called being out of breath after exercise) and the heart medication for super fit athletes is a joke. "exercise induced athsma" is not just being out of breath on your limit it causes severe contractions of lung tissue , resulting in up to 40% loss of breath! i know this as i have quit many a race because of it ! it is a curse ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, whereismillar said: "exercise induced athsma" is not just being out of breath on your limit it causes severe contractions of lung tissue , resulting in up to 40% loss of breath! i know this as i have quit many a race because of it ! it is a curse ! Well get a TUE & start sooking on an inhaler then. They're all the rage, apparently? Edited September 21, 2016 by kiddy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Ooh! Suits you Sir? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 1 hour ago, kiddy said: Ooh! Suits you Sir? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623 Interesting times. Anyone seen Sir Dave Brailsford this last week, by the way? He's been very quiet, for some reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnash Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 The whole TUE episode reminds me of Paul Whitehouse on the Fast Show, playing a dutch policeman - "we don't have a problem with burglary anymore, since we made it legal". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 This doesn't just affect cycling. This is endemic throughout the whole of world sports, both able bodied & paralympic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Quote It would postpone this sensation fatigue, increase your recovery speed and most importantly and quite easily I would drop one or two kg which is very important when you want to climb mountains. It will drain the body from all excess fat in a quite short period of time. It's a very fast and very effective drug in that sense. Hmmmm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 As someone who has asthma I'm impressed by how many of our top athletes can take part in elite level endurance sports whilst having serious chest infections..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Quote Sir Bradley said he sought therapeutic use exemptions (TUEs) to "put himself back on a level playing field". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37462540 RRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! If that is the standard thought of the professional athlete, then the game's a bogey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 So this is what Braislford means by marginal gains. TUEs are legal but to me this just seems like another case of the drugs cheats staying one step ahead of the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Watching it on Marr just now. So, Jörg Jaksche & David Miller were abusing a certain drug, he was using it therapeutically "to cure a medical condition". He was then taking it April, June, July 2012 as he was "really struggling with his breathing", yet winning the Paris-Nice, Daupine, Romandie, Tour & Olympic Gold. Yet required it to keep "on a level playing field, in order to compete at the highest level". So is it a medical cure or artificial aid, Brad? IMO, It's all about maximising oxygen supply through the body. Seems to me you only require a Doctors line & it puts you within the guidelines. Pretty sure Dr's Fuentes & Ferrari were "specialists". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Kinda looks like the Armstrong backdated steroid cream wheeze from back in the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Anyone got a Sunday Times account? Interested to read David Walsh's take on it, only getting the snippets he has put on Twitter in which he asserts that Wiggins, Team Sky and the UCI are all equally culpable. He also mentions the fact that Wiggins stated in his book that he had never had any injections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Anyone got a Sunday Times account? Interested to read David Walsh's take on it, only getting the snippets he has put on Twitter in which he asserts that Wiggins, Team Sky and the UCI are all equally culpable. He also mentions the fact that Wiggins stated in his book that he had never had any injections. Perhaps he should have devoted more time while at Team Sky to investigating them and less time acting as their fluffer-in-chief.Still no sign of Sir Dave. Funny that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, peasy23 said: Anyone got a Sunday Times account? Interested to read David Walsh's take on it, only getting the snippets he has put on Twitter in which he asserts that Wiggins, Team Sky and the UCI are all equally culpable. He also mentions the fact that Wiggins stated in his book that he had never had any injections. I haven't got a Sunday Times account but I do read the paper. He doesn't quite give Wiggins both barrels, but he certainly doesn't let him off the hook. Reading between the lines Brad isn't very well liked by his colleagues, and Walsh hints at Team Sky doctor Richard Freeman being involved. He also states that Wiggins' 2012 Tour De France victory should be marked with an * stating that he had a corticosteroid injection 4 days before the race. Edited September 25, 2016 by TheLip69 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 hours ago, TheLip69 said: I haven't got a Sunday Times account but I do read the paper. He doesn't quite give Wiggins both barrels, but he certainly doesn't let him off the hook. Reading between the lines Brad isn't very well liked by his colleagues, and Walsh hints at Team Sky doctor Richard Freeman being involved. He also states that Wiggins' 2012 Tour De France victory should be marked with an * stating that he had a corticosteroid injection 4 days before the race. But that was only to let him compete on a level playing field? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 But that was only to let him compete on a level playing field? Well it makes all the mountains feel flatter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyM Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 On 24/09/2016 at 15:48, dogmc said: As someone who has asthma I'm impressed by how many of our top athletes can take part in elite level endurance sports whilst having serious chest infections..... The vast majority (around 70%) of all elite swimmers in the UK used anti-asthmatic medication (inhalers) in 2014. The problem is that this form of asthma is usually defined as "exercise induced". So, is it something that should be redressed through medication or a "tough luck" consequence of doing the exercise in the first place? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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