kiddy Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Sport induced athsma? It's your body telling you it's at its limit! I had asthmatics in my class at school, they couldn't take part in PE & constantly had an inhaler with them. An asthmatic attack is an extremely harrowing thing to witness, never mind suffer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Sport induced athsma? It's your body telling you it's at its limit! I had asthmatics in my class at school, they couldn't take part in PE & constantly had an inhaler with them. An asthmatic attack is an extremely harrowing thing to witness, never mind suffer. I'm relatively mild with asthma so had no problems playing rugby n football so long as I had inhalers with me as a just in case. However the idea that you could carry out any sporting activities when you have a chest infection so severe as to require steroid injections is utter nonsense let alone elite level events in cycling athletics tennis etc. Clearly the tue system has been heavily abused. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Some excellent points raised by Cycling News.. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the-sound-of-silence-brailsford-sky-and-the-questions-still-to-be-answered/ And Irish journo Declan Lynch pretty much hits the nail on the head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 This article from Paul Kimmage pretty much nails it too: http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-so-many-questions-not-asked-so-many-questions-remain-unanswered-35076219.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Froome statement certainly doesn't offer Wiggins much support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 The vast majority (around 70%) of all elite swimmers in the UK used anti-asthmatic medication (inhalers) in 2014. The problem is that this form of asthma is usually defined as "exercise induced". So, is it something that should be redressed through medication or a "tough luck" consequence of doing the exercise in the first place? 70% is an incredible stat. I've no idea what the %age of the population suffering asthma is generally but I'd expect the %age of athletes with asthma to be much lower not as it is much higher. Is this institutionalised doping? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Roughly 1/12 people in general population suffer from asthma, if that stat is true about the swimmers it's a disgrace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Roughly 1/12 people in general population suffer from asthma, if that stat is true about the swimmers it's a disgrace. Hard to see it as anything other than sanctioned cheating. I'd expect that a good chunk of asthma sufferers would either avoid endurance sports or simply not be able to compete so surely there should be less than 12% of the swimmers ( or any athletes )using asthma medications....70% is ludicrous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 On 27/09/2016 at 18:05, dogmc said: Froome statement certainly doesn't offer Wiggins much support. Froome and Wiggins have always been at loggerheads. Froome has been less than complimentary about Wiggins previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Please cite peer reviewed studies showing the performance enhancing characteristics of cataboilic steroids. Some folk seem a little confused and think all steroids act the same. Also just to cut off the obvious anecdotal route, certain ex pros were on blood doping, EPO, anabolic steroids and using catabolic steroids. The later would help mediate weight gain with the other substances being used. One can argue that an individual is approaching a competition slightly over weight and uses catabolic steroids to enhance muscle wastage, that would be a rather unusual circumstance. But dont let knowledge of the substance in question get in the way of speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The point isn't really about the benefit of any substance, but rather the way that certain competitors on the surface of it appear to have been circumventing the rules to be able to use something which would otherwise be banned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The point isn't really about the benefit of any substance, but rather the way that certain competitors on the surface of it appear to have been circumventing the rules to be able to use something which would otherwise be banned. Exactly....taking a prescription for an ailment they don't have is simply a way round the doping rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If they don't give any benefit why would they be on the banned substances list? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Last monument classic of the season tomorrow, Lombardia. Nibali taking last season's race, I wonder who will triumph this time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 hour ago, kiddy said: Last monument classic of the season tomorrow, Lombardia. Nibali taking last season's race, I wonder who will triumph this time? Over the few years, winners have defended their title. Nibali is the favourite with Rodriguez, Martin and Gilbert (recent winners) in contention. Quintana and the Yates brothers should be up there too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 3 hours ago, kiddy said: Last monument classic of the season tomorrow, Lombardia. Nibali taking last season's race, I wonder who will triumph this time? Depends who's hayfever's been the worst recently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Dramatic sprint finish in Lombardia yesterday, with Esteban Chaves coming from a fair distance back to pip Uran & Diego Rosa on the line. Surprised Bardet was dropped on the final climb, having broken away with the two Colombians. But some effort by Rosa to haul the other 3 in after working for Aru, who didn't have the form on the day to compete. Edited October 2, 2016 by kiddy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Not looking good for Cav's WC prospects. Apparently ill & not been on a bike for 6 days! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyM Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 On 27/09/2016 at 21:38, dogmc said: Hard to see it as anything other than sanctioned cheating. I'd expect that a good chunk of asthma sufferers would either avoid endurance sports or simply not be able to compete so surely there should be less than 12% of the swimmers ( or any athletes )using asthma medications....70% is ludicrous. Yep. The argument (for swimmers) is that they spend so many hours in a chloride-filled pool training that they all develop breathing problems. Swimmers are the extreme, but cycling isn't far behind. There is a plausible argument to be made that the exercise causes the problem and an inhaled short acting beta-agonist (such as salbutamol) redresses the balance. In my view, there is a much stronger argument that this is institutionalised cheating. One of the several drawbacks of linking lottery funding to past Olympics performance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Sharon Laws has been diagnosed with cervical cancer - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sharon-laws-announces-she-has-cervical-cancer/. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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