Gnash Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 This doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Whether you call it cheating or not is irrelevant. What Wiggins, Sky, etc. have been doing is exploring ways to use the rules to their maximum extent, so if found out, they fall into an arguable grey area. I actually don't have a problem with riders and teams doing everything within the rules, even within grey areas of the rules, to gain a maximum advantage, but the galling thing with Sky is that they proclaimed from the start that they were whiter than white, so should have completely stayed clear of those grey areas. Their credibility is pretty much zero now. It's clear that's it's the rules themselves that are the biggest problem. If you are going to ban a drug, ban it. Don't allow people to use it for a medical condition because clever people are clearly going to going to find ways to enhance their performance regardless of their actual medical conditions. If that means people with severe asthma (or whatever) can't compete at the highest level, tough shit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 This doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Whether you call it cheating or not is irrelevant. What Wiggins, Sky, etc. have been doing is exploring ways to use the rules to their maximum extent, so if found out, they fall into an arguable grey area. I actually don't have a problem with riders and teams doing everything within the rules, even within grey areas of the rules, to gain a maximum advantage, but the galling thing with Sky is that they proclaimed from the start that they were whiter than white, so should have completely stayed clear of those grey areas. Their credibility is pretty much zero now. It's clear that's it's the rules themselves that are the biggest problem. If you are going to ban a drug, ban it. Don't allow people to use it for a medical condition because clever people are clearly going to going to find ways to enhance their performance regardless of their actual medical conditions. If that means people with severe asthma (or whatever) can't compete at the highest level, tough shit. Agree with just about everything there. Brailsford's position is untenable imo given all his preaching about being whiter than white.I've thought for a long time that the whole TUE system is a sham, and is wide open to abuse, especially when they dish out backdated TUEs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Quote Brad Wiggins ✔ @SirWiggo I find it so sad that accusations can be made, where people can be accused of things they have never done which are then regarded as facts. I strongly refute the claim that any drug was used without medical need. I hope to have my say in the next few days & put my side across. 12:02 AM - Mar 5, 2018 4,778 1,888 people are talking about this I presume the report is covered by parliamentary privilege and therefore the authors cant be sued. It might have been more fun if Wiggo had been able to go to the "Court of Public Opinion" to see who was believed - would he have chanced it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Says he's done nowt wrong on BBC, so that's me convinced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) I thought that any input from David Walsh...the guy who,in 2001 asked why a clean rider would work with a dirty doctor (or one who retired rather than answer any awkward questions)....and his one time buddy,Paul Kimmage,might be of interest as this was the zealous duo whose efforts were instrumental in bringing Lance Armstrong to book. Some interesting stuff here which kinda makes you wonder why,if you were building a team to win major cycling honours,you'd build it around two asthmatics,one of whom seems to have had a number of other health issues. https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/he-was-once-a-dear-dear-friend-david-walsh-responds-to-paul-kimmages-criticism-of-his-coverage-of-team-sky-35081292.html http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/paul-kimmage-chris-froome/ Edited March 5, 2018 by tommyboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Kimmage really doesn't give a monkey's. Tremendous! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Cav's Tirreno over before it starts? Crashes during TTT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 ^ Ruled out by the commissaires because he was over the time limit. Cavendish didn't even make it out of the neutralised zone on stage one of his last race in Abu Dhabi. He must be out of Milan-San Remo as he's broken a rib - http://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cycling/43328131. His training plan for the Tour de France is falling apart even at that this early stage of the season - probably missing at least three to four weeks. The last few months have been terrible for British cycling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 05/03/2018 at 18:10, btb said: I presume the report is covered by parliamentary privilege and therefore the authors cant be sued. It might have been more fun if Wiggo had been able to go to the "Court of Public Opinion" to see who was believed - would he have chanced it? I believe so but the the report appears to have been written carefully to avoid making defamatory accusations. The evidence to back up the criticism is on the record with one exception - the anonymous "insider" who claimed that Sky used corticosteroids to prepare the 2012 Tour de France team. However, based on other evidence, it is possible. Wiggins' form on the road declined rapidly after his Olympic ITT victory and it never recovered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Achieved everything he wanted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The Yates brothers are on fire this weekend! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The Yates brothers are on fire this weekend! Well, at least one of them was. The other was getting licked by a Soller..oh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Nibali kicks on from about 7km out and takes the Milan San Remo just as the pack was closing in on him. Horrible crash for Cavendish at about 10km out just as the peleton was starting to shift he went straight into a bollard in the middle of the road and was sent flying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Fantastic attack on the Poggio by Nibali to win Milan-San Remo. Praying that Cavendish is okay after a truly horrific crash into road furniture. What an awful start to the season! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Horrible crash for Cavendish at about 10km out just as the peleton was starting to shift he went straight into a bollard in the middle of the road and was sent flying. Looked a really sore one. Hope he's OK.Brilliant from the Shark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleash The Nade Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, printer said: Looked a really sore one. Hope he's OK. Brilliant from the Shark. Recorded this earlier and just watched it Brilliant finish and attack by Nibali The Cavendish crash was horrific but reports thankfully say no serious injury , just one fractured rib . Why didn’t they have marshals at these bollards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Recorded this earlier and just watched it Brilliant finish and attack by Nibali The Cavendish crash was horrific but reports thankfully say no serious injury , just one fractured rib . Why didn’t they have marshals at these bollards? Police on entry to r/bout, but not on exit. Another rib, or same one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Police on entry to r/bout, but not on exit. Another rib, or same one? Different one. He's not having much luck this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Brilliant win for Sagan in Gent Wevelgem, holding off a fast finishing (and distraught) Viviani by timing his sprint perfectly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Well the giro is underway after 3 stages in Israel. Dumoulin took the opening Time trial and the last two benign sprint stages have been won by Viviani from quickstep. Rest day tomorrow and then the racing should really begin in Italy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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