Unpopular opinions.

[coprolite]

11 hours ago, virginton said:

There's not many things that they can hide behind tbh. 

 

10 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

Other than the lack of stigma

 

7 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

Try locking your fridge.

 

2 hours ago, Aufc said:

 

It creates health issues which costs the NHS a fortune and will have contributed to a decent
number of covid deaths

 

2 hours ago, Aufc said:

 

It creates health issues which costs the NHS a fortune and will have contributed to a decent
number of covid deaths

 

Inadequate sad acts need someone to look down on to feel better about themselves.

Sanctimonious twats. 

[Cosmic Joe]

3 hours ago, Aufc said:

 

It creates health issues which costs the NHS a fortune and will have contributed to a decent
number of covid deaths

 

Mainly their own... 

[Aufc]

Inadequate sad acts need someone to look down on to feel better about themselves.
Sanctimonious twats. 

I am genuinely not trying to look down on anyone and i am sorry if you feel like that. However, there needs to be a serious discussion within the UK regarding obesity. I realise it is an awkward conversation for a lot of people but the spend on obesity and diabetes is greater than the spend on police, the fire service and judicial system combined.

[Bairnardo]

I am genuinely not trying to look down on anyone and i am sorry if you feel like that. However, there needs to be a serious discussion within the UK regarding obesity. I realise it is an awkward conversation for a lot of people but the spend on obesity and diabetes is greater than the spend on police, the fire service and judicial system combined.

There can be a serious conversation, it just cant be "get the finger out fatties or we will punish you"

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Aufc said:

 

I am genuinely not trying to look down on anyone and i am sorry if you feel like that. However, there needs to be a serious discussion within the UK regarding obesity. I realise it is an awkward conversation for a lot of people but the spend on obesity and diabetes is greater than the spend on police, the fire service and judicial system combined.

 

It's a risk factor. I haven't been to the Doctor for about 10 years and that was with a sporting injury. I've had 2 days off work sick in that time. 

There are many risk factors to their own and public health that people contribute to with their lifestyles. 

Suggesting fat people in particular need to be held to account is samctimonious. 

[Aufc]

It's a risk factor. I haven't been to the Doctor for about 10 years and that was with a sporting injury. I've had 2 days off work sick in that time. 
There are many risk factors to their own and public health that people contribute to with their lifestyles. 
Suggesting fat people in particular need to be held to account is samctimonious. 

I said some obese people need to be accountable.

[19QOS19]

Might as well put my UO's in the now as obesity seems to be getting discussed. The Mrs and I have decided to start eating healthier this year. With lockdown and laziness we were eating far too much junk, particularly takeaways. We started on January 3rd having our meals from Pinch of Nom cookbooks (absolutely delicious btw and very easy to make). We've both lost over a stone since starting and our exercise has been minimal to non-existent, the weight's come off purely down to eating better. So my UO's are this:-

1) Losing weight isn't an achievement. The first couple of days you're stomach craves the junk food but if you have the mindset to lose weight and eat healthy it's really not difficult - cut out the shite and give yourself a decent calorie intake for the day.

2) To eat healthy isn't expensive at all. I did used to think the opposite but having stuck to these meals and only buying the ingredients required I can safely say I'm better off financially buying this stuff than the usual shite I'd buy.

[coprolite]

6 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I said some obese people need to be accountable.

 

I don't see why. I can see why it would be beneficial for fewer people to be overweight or more people to be less overweight. 

Who are they to be held accountable to, and why?

I'd expect their medical professionals already hold them accountable, to the point of refusing operations until they've lost weight. My doctor certainly wasn't shy about telling me i was tooi heavy. 

It all just feels like righteous indignation against a group that you've identified as lacking your wonderful virtue of thin-ness. 

[Bairnardo]

Might as well put my UO's in the now as obesity seems to be getting discussed. The Mrs and I have decided to start eating healthier this year. With lockdown and laziness we were eating far too much junk, particularly takeaways. We started on January 3rd having our meals from Pinch of Nom cookbooks (absolutely delicious btw and very easy to make). We've both lost over a stone since starting and our exercise has been minimal to non-existent, the weight's come off purely down to eating better. So my UO's are this:-

1) Losing weight isn't an achievement. The first couple of days you're stomach craves the junk food but if you have the mindset to lose weight and eat healthy it's really not difficult - cut out the shite and give yourself a decent calorie intake for the day.

2) To eat healthy isn't expensive at all. I did used to think the opposite but having stuck to these meals and only buying the ingredients required I can safely say I'm better off financially buying this stuff than the usual shite I'd buy.

Make the weeping tiger. Its class

[Todd_is_God]

26 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

27 minutes ago, Aufc said:

I am genuinely not trying to look down on anyone and i am sorry if you feel like that. However, there needs to be a serious discussion within the UK regarding obesity. I realise it is an awkward conversation for a lot of people but the spend on obesity and diabetes is greater than the spend on police, the fire service and judicial system combined.

There can be a serious conversation, it just cant be "get the finger out fatties or we will punish you"

There can't be a serious discussion if the first reaction to being asked if they think maybe they should do something about being obese is to get offended and go on about it being their business and their business only.

That reaction alone is why we don't do anything to seriously tackle the problem in our society.

[Bairnardo]

There can't be a serious discussion if the first reaction to being asked if they think maybe they should do something about being obese is to get offended and go on about it being their business and their business only.
That reaction alone is why we don't do anything to seriously tackle the problem in our society.

To tackle the problem seriously, it will cost money. Potentially more money than it costs now. I'm sure people are evaluating these things on a cost level all the time.

That is because the government would have to look at lifestyle in general in the UK, and the dramatic improvement thereof. The current UK government are not interested in doing so IMO. You can blame laziness and all the other easy targets all you want. The situation isnt simple and needs huge effort to tackle.

Fatties are a popular target, but what happens when they decide anyone who drinks more than 10 units a week should be subject to humiliation until they improve?

[superwellfan]

It astounds me how popular Katsu Curry is...

1. Breaded chicken doesn't belong in a curry

2. Fried rice is infinitely better than boiled rice 

3. It invariably tastes diluted 

 

I suppose people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis etc etc 

[coprolite]

12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

There can't be a serious discussion if the first reaction to being asked if they think maybe they should do something about being obese is to get offended and go on about it being their business and their business only.

That reaction alone is why we don't do anything to seriously tackle the problem in our society.

Who was asked if maybe they should lose weight? 

I believe it was fat people who aren't mentally ill should be held accountable. 

You want to have a serious conversation? You don't start it with a presumption of wrongdoing and a demand for an explanation. 

But then you don't want a serious conversation do you? You want to be in the right and tell others why their wrong to massage your pathetic little ego. 

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Who was asked if maybe they should lose weight? 

I believe it was fat people who aren't mentally ill should be held accountable. 

You want to have a serious conversation? You don't start it with a presumption of wrongdoing and a demand for an explanation. 

But then you don't want a serious conversation do you? You want to be in the right and tell others why their wrong to massage your pathetic little ego. 

 

[Aufc]

Who was asked if maybe they should lose weight? 
I believe it was fat people who aren't mentally ill should be held accountable. 
You want to have a serious conversation? You don't start it with a presumption of wrongdoing and a demand for an explanation. 
But then you don't want a serious conversation do you? You want to be in the right and tell others why their wrong to massage your pathetic little ego. 

You are basically proving my point. At the slightest possible suggestion that obese people need to be told they need to change their lifestyle, you have completely blown up

[Bairnardo]

4 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

You are basically proving my point. At the slightest possible suggestion that obese people need to be told they need to change their lifestyle, you have completely blown up

 

Telling people to change their lifestyle is no solution to the problem though and never will be. Your approach necessitates consequence for those who dont comply. Everyone who is obese knows it's not good for them, and doctors do not ever shy away from telling overweight patients that they should do something about it. You are looking for a step further than that though, and as a solution to a problem, that is nonsense. Punishing people to force them into a lifestyle change is best left for some dystopian hellscape movie or book. 

We absolutely need to try and get a healthier society, so why not talk constructively about what that should look like instead of this nonsense talk about "holding folk accountable"*

 

*apologies if those arent your words,  but its certainly the inference of many posts in the thread. 

[coprolite]

14 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

 

I'm not putting on a mask. I am clearly and openly seething about your presumptuous condescending attitude. 

14 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

You are basically proving my point. At the slightest possible suggestion that obese people need to be told they need to change their lifestyle, you have completely blown up

 

You didn't suggest that though. 

It wouldn't have been much of an unpopular opinion if you'd said that. 

 

Well done for increasing public health outcomes guys. You're great. 

[Todd_is_God]

31 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Telling people to change their lifestyle is no solution to the problem though and never will be. Your approach necessitates consequence for those who dont comply. Everyone who is obese knows it's not good for them, and doctors do not ever shy away from telling overweight patients that they should do something about it.

That softly softly approach clearly isn't working, though.

Everyone knew smoking was bad for you, yet continued doing so. The Government eventually drew a line, banned advertising, pushed warnings on fag packets, hid fags away, and later mandated blank packaging.

I don't think it's punishing people to push the message of "Obesity Kills" but for some reason there is a backlash against any hint this message because "Body Shaming" and the desire to not offend people. You needn't look further than the gasket the poster above blew at the first suggestion his lifestyle is unhealthy and problematic to see the messaging isn't working.

"Love your fags" and "Cigarettes are beautiful" would rightfully never appear on an advert or magazine cover these days. So why is "Love your body" and "Big is beautiful" so different?

Edited February 13, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Sergeant Wilson]

26 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I'm not putting on a mask. I am clearly and openly seething about your presumptuous condescending attitude. 

 

Have break, have a kit kat, or two.

[19QOS19]

Make the weeping tiger. Its class

Is that effectively the crying tiger? If so, we've had that twice. The first time there was too much coriander but the second time it was much better. Our joint favourite has been Tuscan Chicken. Absolutely incredible. And Toad in the Hole was surprisingly delicious as well. I think we've only disliked one thing. Can't recommend the meals highly enough.