Unpopular opinions.

[SANTAN]

Just now, throbber said:

The fact you are a fan of Logan Paul and have a -1785 reputation on here is no coincidence.

Am I f**k a fan of him

He's improved. Still a goober though. 

[SANTAN]

3 minutes ago, throbber said:

I don’t know why he’s still about after what he did in Japan tbh - I suppose so long as he brings in money then people are incredibly happy to forgive and forget.

Yeah the sensible option would have been for him to go to jail for eternity or to just kill himself.

What's everyone's problem with rehabilitation? Professional footballers get away with far worse, one of the posters condemning the big LoDog in this thread sticks up for big Noncer Griffiths which seems a very peculiar set of morals. 

There's a lot of insecurity and wee man syndrome about all of this, if your best mate had done what Logan Paul had done would you have it within yourself to forgive them if you understood what drove them to do so? If your answer is no then you've either got empathy issues or you're lying. 

[hk blues]

4 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

Yeah the sensible option would have been for him to go to jail for eternity or to just kill himself.

 

Seems harsh.

But fair.

[welshbairn]

10 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

if your best mate had done what Logan Paul had done would you have it within yourself to forgive them if you understood what drove them to do so

Greed for money and fame?

[SANTAN]

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Greed for money and fame?

Yeah, young successful famous person goes too far in search for more clout. What a surprise! 

9 minutes ago, throbber said:

Why does he deserve a second chance? He went to a forest famous for suicides and laughed in front of a man who was hanging from a tree. 

Well you've already purposefully misrepresented the situation to suit your argument so that's a start! 

Should everyone that visits "suicide forest" be cancelled for all of eternity? He evidently was a daft boy who made a stupid mistake in front of all of his mates. If all the jokes you and your mates had told or laughed at were suddenly open to the public I'm sure you wouldn't survive this ridiculous performative outrage either, nobody would. Some of you guys haven't watched the Wire and it tells, moving like life is a Marvel movie. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by SANTAN

[SANTAN]

7 minutes ago, throbber said:

He went to suicide forest when there was a fairly high chance of finding someone dead based on how common suicides were there. He then laughed when in close proximity of the corpse and made jokes in the car park outside the forest to a child saying “don’t go in there!!” He did all these things for likes on social media. I’m not sure why you think he deserves any sort of platform after doing that and why you think it’s comparable to jokes we may have made in front of our mates either.

So I've raised the issue about visiting suicide forest in the first place but you ignored that question...

He nervously laughed with his mates in an extremely awkward situation then told a kid "don't go in there" (to suicide fucking forest btw) - I don't think that's enough reason to condemn someone for life. He was obviously a young attention seeking fool who had a camera with him, he was also getting staggeringly rich all through blogging "interesting" situations so was probably desensitized to it whilst desperately chasing the next big idea. If you look at the situation objectively you can see why he did so and you can also see why there's the possibility he could improve as a person, as he seems to have done so. 

The lack of willingness to allow the guy to grow and change is quite telling though and as I've already addressed comes about from some weird toxic masculinity/insecurity position. Maybe just simply jealousy, kinda predictable seeing some of the regular small men syndrome posters share their sentiments right enough. 

[19QOS19]

Well you've already purposefully misrepresented the situation to suit your argument so that's a start! 
Should everyone that visits "suicide forest" be cancelled for all of eternity? He evidently was a daft boy who made a stupid mistake in front of all of his mates. If all the jokes you and your mates had told or laughed at were suddenly open to the public I'm sure you wouldn't survive this ridiculous performative outrage either, nobody would. Some of you guys haven't watched the Wire and it tells, moving like life is a Marvel movie. 

I don't think visiting that forest is a big deal. Had he visited and just explained what he saw, it would have been weird yes but I doubt he would have got into any bother. To post the video of the guy was the stupid part and what he was rightly hounded for as I'm sure in his warped mind he was more focussed on 'likes' than being (ironically) empathetic towards the person's situation.

Tbh I always thought he came across as a bit of a cretin before that (my nephew watched his shite) so wasn't surprised he went that far. As for second chances, I suppose everyone deserves one. But given he's went into martial arts I expect his personality isn't much different to how it was back then tbh.

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm just glad the youtubers I follow and respect aren't twats.

[SANTAN]

3 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I don't think visiting that forest is a big deal. Had he visited and just explained what he saw, it would have been weird yes but I doubt he would have got into any bother. To post the video of the guy was the stupid part and what he was rightly hounded for as I'm sure in his warped mind he was more focussed on 'likes' than being (ironically) empathetic towards the person's situation.

Tbh I always thought he came across as a bit of a cretin before that (my nephew watched his shite) so wasn't surprised he went that far. As for second chances, I suppose everyone deserves one. But given he's went into martial arts I expect his personality isn't much different to how it was back then tbh.
 

I was agreeing with everything you said til this part. That alone could be an unpopular opinion, unless I'm getting your take wrong, what's wrong with martial arts? 

As stated I think he's a cringey weirdo but think he has grown up quite a bit since then and genuinely understands and regrets what he did. 

ETA - I don't follow or subscribe to him and have never found those YouTubers interesting. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by SANTAN

[SANTAN]

1 minute ago, throbber said:

 

You could've just said you were a moron to start with. 

[SANTAN]

2 minutes ago, throbber said:

Says the guy trying to defend Logan Paul.

 

[SANTAN]

Just now, throbber said:

You clearly think mocking the dead is perfectly acceptable behaviour. You’re the w****r.

You clearly have difficulties reading if that's what you've taken from my posts. 

However if that IS your morals then I'm wondering if you were posting such gifs in the Prince Phillip thread or what your take on dead Thatcher jokes are... surely everyone on here that made jokes for likes should never be forgiven and are in your words unacceptable?

[Guest]

I think there is a problem with a massive YouTuber with an audience the average age of about 13 going to suicide Forrest for some content. The argument "would you give your pal another chance" is absolutely moronic unless your pals are massive social media influencers with a very young audience.

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, SANTAN said:

if your best mate had done what Logan Paul had done would you have it within yourself to forgive them if you understood what drove them to do so?

Still waiting to find out what drove him to do it and why that excuses it. Unless greed for money and fame is an excuse for you.

[SANTAN]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Still waiting to find out what drove him to do it and why that excuses it. Unless greed for money and fame is an excuse for you.

I'm sure you can read back a few pages..

[SANTAN]

4 minutes ago, Empty It said:

I think there is a problem with a massive YouTuber with an audience the average age of about 13 going to suicide Forrest for some content. The argument "would you give your pal another chance" is absolutely moronic unless your pals are massive social media influencers with a very young audience.

 

Just now, throbber said:

We are dealing with a particularly stupid person here who I’m already tired of arguing with.

 

[Guest]

 

You could just address the point instead of following in your football club's culture of whataboutery.

[SANTAN]

2 minutes ago, Empty It said:

9 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

 

You could just address the point instead of following in your football club's culture of whataboutery.

The point you've taken issue with missed the wider point. Of course your mate doesn't have such an audience, which is a valid factor but let's pretend they did and made the same mistake would they then be beyond redemption? 

I'm not trying to stick up for what he did, I'm trying to say he's obviously not beyond rehabilitation and through recent actions has clearly shown himself to be considerably more mature and seems to have learned from his mistakes. 

[Guest]

The point you've taken issue with missed the wider point. Of course your mate doesn't have such an audience, which is a valid factor but let's pretend they did and made the same mistake would they then be beyond redemption? 
I'm not trying to stick up for what he did, I'm trying to say he's obviously not beyond rehabilitation and through recent actions has clearly shown himself to be considerably more mature and seems to have learned from his mistakes. 

I don't think someone who laughs at suicide should be given another opportunity considering how young his audience are. He's literally making those jokes to 13/14 year olds.

[SANTAN]

10 minutes ago, throbber said:

Who else do you think deserves a second chance in life then? If people who film and laugh at suicide victims are deserving of it?

 

8 minutes ago, Empty It said:

13 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

The point you've taken issue with missed the wider point. Of course your mate doesn't have such an audience, which is a valid factor but let's pretend they did and made the same mistake would they then be beyond redemption? 
I'm not trying to stick up for what he did, I'm trying to say he's obviously not beyond rehabilitation and through recent actions has clearly shown himself to be considerably more mature and seems to have learned from his mistakes. 

I don't think someone who laughs at suicide should be given another opportunity considering how young his audience are. He's literally making those jokes to 13/14 year olds.

The problem in having these discussions are people get hysterical and emotional to try and win the argument rather than actually have a meaningful discussion. For clarity, he didn't explicitly make fun of suicide or film and laugh at a suicide victim. Both statements are incorrect and are emotive and misleading. 

So let's get back to the hypothetical, if this was your friend who had done that video would you just cut ties with them indefinitely even if they did show remorse and growth?

Humans are complex creatures with complex emotions, generally speaking i believe in rehabilitation as much as possible, similarly to how treating addicts with empathy rather than throwing the book at them with punitive measures. There are people on this planet who have forgiven their loved ones murderers, do you think that they are wrong to do so? 

Edited July 24, 2021 by SANTAN