chico Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 National Party of Scotland. Dunno about that. Let's see what Salmond brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1001001 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Not really, Scottish Labour have been a petty, socially conservative institutional party for a generation. People have woken up, smelt the coffee and realised that the 'natural party of government' is actually only there for feathering their own nest. EXACTLY. Well said. I am absolutely flabergasted that the people of Glasgow have broken away and seen the light. This was never about independence, this election was about proper representation. Labour have NEVER represented the central belt. All they have ever done is expect votes in the bank from these areas and delivered nothing. Now its time to hold the candle to the feet of the SNP and see what they do with it in these same areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri RCFC Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I think this somes up my feelings tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Yeah, I noticed a lot of that. It's difficult for some down here to get that a vote for the SNP isn't a defacto anti English stance. What I thought was a lot more interesting was the English Nationalists on there applauding their Scottish counterparts. I wonder, if the referendum vote goes ahead later rather than sooner, whether we could see a proper, grown up English Nationalist political option down here. Time will tell. I've always assumed that "annoying the neighbours" would be something that the SNP would quietly pursue as the English wanting shot of us must help their aims. Of course they know how these policies play down south. On the election - amazed by the result and really proud that things have turned out the way they have. Not an uber-Nat by any stretch of the imagination - but the fact that Scotland seems to have voted on grounds of competence rather than who their father votes for is really positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Final vote share: SNP 45.6% 44% Labour 31.7% 26.3% Conservative 13.9% 12.4% Lib Dem 7.9% 5.2% Others 1.1% 12.1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZCARS Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I think this somes up my feelings tonight never heard that song thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 It'll be interesting to see how Labour and the Lib Dems in particular react to the referendum situation, in the context of their hidings and (for Labour at least) clear failure to have forseen it, or appreciate/accept what caused it. Before the election Ian Gray kept saying that a referendum was "a distraction", and Tavish Scott ran this - in hindsight stupid - line that if the people of Scotland wanted a referendum, then they would vote SNP (delivered in a slightly sarcastic manner - as clearly he didn't anticipate them having enough seats to get it through). In both cases, Labour especially, they took much of the electorate for mugs. So they gave them a doing. Suddenly adopting a policy of "actually changed our minds, hold referendum ASAP!!" would be to keep on digging once you're in the hole, IMO, instead of appearing recalcitrant. People voted, massively, for an SNP which promised to have a referendum later in the parliament, if they had the ability to deliver one. If I had my green left for today, this post would have got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri RCFC Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 never heard that song thank you oh they've written a few good ones over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 there's two christian parties? did anyone just have monty python flashbacks? edit: margo got more than the rest combined. Boyack must surely fancy her chances to replace gray. she's one of the few coherent ones. "Well, this is largely as I predicted except that the Silly Party won." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I just text a guy a know who is a member of the Labour party saying 'GIRUY, you Labour wanker' half in jest. He replied 'Fuck off' to which I countered with 'Go suck off Iain Grey, you cunt'. Possibly the most childish thing I've ever done, but it made me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 FAO Swampy: clear up your inbox a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 See the wee Unionist skirt at the foot of the map? Do we call it the Twilight Zone now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 FAO Swampy: clear up your inbox a bit. Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Freud Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Very much doubt it, as the Tories would either continue posturing as one-nation British nationalists or morph into English nationalists should CDU break up. They also have the advantage of being 'the winning team' and the careerist politicans who go with that. Plus with the arse falling out of voting reform right now, England is doomed to solely FPTP for its national political representation. That's what's pissed me off today. London and Glasgow appear to have voted for AV, no other fucker bothered to. EXACTLY. Well said. I am absolutely flabergasted that the people of Glasgow have broken away and seen the light. This was never about independence, this election was about proper representation. Labour have NEVER represented the central belt. All they have ever done is expect votes in the bank from these areas and delivered nothing. Now its time to hold the candle to the feet of the SNP and see what they do with it in these same areas. On the election - amazed by the result and really proud that things have turned out the way they have. Not an uber-Nat by any stretch of the imagination - but the fact that Scotland seems to have voted on grounds of competence rather than who their father votes for is really positive. And this is the bit that cheered me up. It is just amazing to see Labopur getting shafted in their traditional heartlands. Maybe, just maybe, this will mean the end of the gravy train, and a few genuine socialists might get involved. You never know your luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Brian Taylor has updated his blog, pretty accurate comment IMO on what Labour did wrong, and what the SNP's prospects are going forward. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2011/05/shout_of_joy_for_snp.html Seperately, I see AV 'No' vote may be 70%+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Done Ta, sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Yeah, I noticed a lot of that. It's difficult for some down here to get that a vote for the SNP isn't a defacto anti English stance. What I thought was a lot more interesting was the English Nationalists on there applauding their Scottish counterparts. I wonder, if the referendum vote goes ahead later rather than sooner, whether we could see a proper, grown up English Nationalist political option down here. Time will tell. http://englandparliament.blogspot.com/ That gem of a blog seems to have sadly dissipated. Kelvin McKenzie has already started his lame WUMing on 'we no longer want to subsidise Scottish prescriptions.' It's a fairly ineffective act. Regarding AV the C4 political correspondent pointed out areas like Islington, the West of Glasgow and Cambridge voted for AV - the places where educated people reside. He even said these are the kind of areas that would vote for Cannabis legalisation and that's probably true, an issue that would pass with an overwhelming majority if people weren't so ignorant and misinformed. Democracy has failed with regards to the AV vote, if people are this stupid and easily manipulated we deserve a shit voting system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 It's also startling to see how things went in Wales, and how palpably different Scotland has been to both England + Wales. Plaid Cymru got gubbed, losing 4 seats, whilst Labour increased by 4 seats... So in the other Celtic nation with similar parties, it was the oppose of today. Nationalist doing badly, Labour improving. Lib Dems held relatively steady, lost 1 seat. Also really interesting to see what's happened to the Tories. In Wales they went up 2 seats. In England, they've increased their share of the vote, and slightly boosted their council seats in total. Even here they've weather edthe SNP storm pretty well, losing far fewer seats than Labour/the Lib Dems, and holding their vote OK, and 3 of their 4 constituencies. That's surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Democracy has failed with regards to the AV vote, if people are this stupid and easily manipulated we deserve a shit voting system. Equally, ~3 in 4 voters said "No". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 It's also startling to see how things went in Wales, and how palpably different Scotland has been to both England + Wales. Plaid Cymru got gubbed, losing 4 seats, whilst Labour increased by 4 seats... So in the other Celtic nation with similar parties, it was the oppose of today. Nationalist doing badly, Labour improving. Lib Dems held relatively steady, lost 1 seat. Also really interesting to see what's happened to the Tories. In Wales they went up 2 seats. In England, they've increased their share of the vote, and slightly boosted their council seats in total. Even here they've weather edthe SNP storm pretty well, losing far fewer seats than Labour/the Lib Dems, and holding their vote OK, and 3 of their 4 constituencies. That's surprising. Did you not hear? There is no difference between the countries! None at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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