The Falkirk FC Thread

[Guest]

On 06/10/2022 at 10:15, ShaggerG said:

Which (or is it all) of the current BOD described SA as not being a 'fantastic fan of the club' or, as you allude to, describing him as something much worse? I'm not having a go here as I honestly don't know.

I'm obviously aware of the clamour to get rid of them, especially by some on here, due to them being seen as the culprits in appointing past failure but would be interested to hear why you think there's been a 'turnaround' by the BOD.

Personally I would never be against a wealthy fan or fans of the club that are willing to invest as long as they're not looking for full control or want to treat the club as some sort of vanity project and I would certainly want that investment to run alongside the FSS involvement. I hope that some sort of deal can be sorted to allow that to happen. 

I cannot speak on behalf of the current Board members, but I am going to try anyway……

The desire for change was driven almost entirely by Sandy and Martin both retreating from the front line governship of the club, and (as mentioned), supporting the appointment of George Craig (yes, I know it beggars belief, but it really did happen), and then allowed Mr Lidl…..a man with zero interest in anyone with less money than him….to appoint Gary Deans as Chairman.

I doubt very much that either of them (Craig & Deans) have come near FFC since stepping down……and with good reason.

M&S were always hugely loyal Bairns. However, in the best interests of the Club, they needed to re-assess how their unarguable power was best utilised.

I think the Rawlins would bite the hands off anyone making them an offer for their shares, but as things stand those shares are worth buttons. Maybe the FSS could offer them 10p for them. Aye, 10p each. Can’t be stingy about these things. The Rawlins aren’t coming back any time soon.

The new guys wanted M&S to withdraw not because they were bad people, or because they were an enemy of the club like the guy at Morton a few years back.
They wanted them to withdraw to allow new people with a new vision to try and get things headed in the right direction……but I don’t think the new guys understood fully the entirety of the reasons why Deans, Thomson, Miller et al were happy to jump ship. Once they saw the balance sheet, then I think the tsunami of incompetence hit them square in the chops.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Duncan Freemason

[PedroMoutinho]

2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Fair enough but I just can’t see how FSS is going to be able to raise enough money, or indeed sign up enough members to cover those losses. It’ll probably get reasonable numbers but over some considerable time. My guess would be around 900 by the end of the season.

The next step, by the end of this month would be to tap the Patrons for another £10k each and my guess is that would pull in around £100k.

At the same time I think they said they would be in touch with MR, SA and the Moffatts and it’s anyone’s guess as to what the reaction would be. SA might defer or forgive the rent on the SS for a period but, again, who knows?

If the old MSG decide to help out I would think they would need strong representation on the Board completely independent of the Patrons or FSS. The Rawlins might also require board representation.

Anyway, just my take on things having read the newsletters and watched the podcast.

Interesting times, but somehow, I think we’ll navigate through as the whole atmosphere has been uplifted by the appointment of John and Paul.

Football- what a business!!

 

 

TBH I don’t think having a larger board with wider representation would be a bad thing 

[Grangemouth Bairn]

23 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

They said on that podcast they would be speaking to a number of key stakeholders including the former MSG

Thanks mate. So why are posters saying Kenny Jamieson said publicly he wanted the MSG having nothing to do with the club ?
 

All this he said/she did/they think crap on here does my fucking tits in.

[ShaggerG]

41 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said:

I cannot speak on behalf of the current Board members, but I am going to try anyway……

The desire for change was driven almost entirely by Sandy and Martin both retreating from the front line governship of the club, and (as mentioned), supporting the appointment of George Craig (yes, I know it beggars belief, but it really did happen), and then allowed Mr Lidl…..a man with zero interest in anyone with less money than him….to appoint Gary Deans as Chairman.

I doubt very much that either of them (Craig & Deans) have come near FFC since stepping down……and with good reason.

M&S were always hugely loyal Bairns. However, in the best interests of the Club, they needed to re-assess how their unarguable power was best.

I think the Rawlins would bite the hands off anyone making them an offer for their shares, but as things stand those shares are worth buttons. Maybe the FSS could offer them 10p for them. Aye, 10p each. Can’t be stingy about these things. The Rawlins aren’t coming back any time soon.

The new guys wanted M&S to withdraw not because they were bad people, or because they were an enemy of the club like the guy at Morton a few years back.
They wanted them to withdraw to allow new people with a new vision to try and get things headed in the right direction……but I don’t think the new guys understood fully the entirety of the reasons why Deans, Thomson, Miller et al were happy to jump ship. Once they saw the balance sheet, then I think the tsunami of incompetence hit them square in the chops.

Thanks for the summary. 

I for one would be happy to see them invest but on the condition that they let the BOD get on with reviving our fortunes. Don't think I would want Mr Lidl involved though as he clearly would have no interest in me!

[Zbairn]

2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

 

If the old MSG decide to help out I would think they would need strong representation on the Board completely independent of the Patrons or FSS. The Rawlins might also require board representation.

 

 

 

Aye, let’s get Gary Deans back….or maybe Lex Miller….how about Andy Thomson? They are independent of the FSS or PG!

Edited October 7, 2022 by Zbairn

[Springfield]

Unfortunately we are not in a stable financial position to pick and choose who might want to invest. Yes there’s predators around, but I’m sure the BOD are fully updated with who they are. For me SA & MR did make several mistakes and no doubt look back probably with a mixture of anger, sadness and a far different opinion on a number of so called directors, chairman and people who have nearly brought the club down.

Times move on, and if R&S are prepared to re-invest wether it’s shares, soft loans or simply a cash investment we’d be crazy not to consider.

I couldn’t give two Fcks if the current BOD guys have made initial negative comments about R&A, grow a pair, apologise and we all move on.

[Guest Back Post Misses]

1 hour ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

Thanks mate. So why are posters saying Kenny Jamieson said publicly he wanted the MSG having nothing to do with the club ?
 

All this he said/she did/they think crap on here does my fucking tits in.

The MSG had run its course as an entity, even they would admit that. No idea what his relationship is like with some of the former members now.

However by the sound of the podcast they keep them in the loop about what is happening at the club, as they should as they still have a significant shareholding. 

 

[Grangemouth Bairn]

37 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

The MSG had run its course as an entity, even they would admit that. No idea what his relationship is like with some of the former members now.

However by the sound of the podcast they keep them in the loop about what is happening at the club, as they should as they still have a significant shareholding. 

 

Again thanks - The Rawlins and Sandy Alexander still own over 30% of the shares between them don’t they ? 

[Reggie Perrin]

Back to using those ugly yellow balls it would seem.

[Guest Ecosse83]

Well I’m absolutely steaming abroad and going on a trip tomorrow so won’t see the result until well after the game is done, it will feel like the old ceefax days

[Hugh Hillshaveyes]

1 hour ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

Again thanks - The Rawlins and Sandy Alexander still own over 30% of the shares between them don’t they ? 

I thought the crunchie stand was rented to the club by double sandy ...if that's still the case then he would surely have to protect his investment with a soft loan ..or have I got this wrong 

[Guest Back Post Misses]

2 hours ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

Again thanks - The Rawlins and Sandy Alexander still own over 30% of the shares between them don’t they ? 

Add on Martin Ritchie it will be about 35% I think 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ecosse83 said:

Well I’m absolutely steaming abroad and going on a trip tomorrow so won’t see the result until well after the game is done, it will feel like the old ceefax days

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[RC55 FFC]

25 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said:

“Welcome to Falkirk Club Call. In about 4 premium rate phone minutes from now when we are done stalling you, we will update you with 1 minutes worth of Falkirk news.”

Yep. Got a few “tellings off” from the parents over that phone number . 
 

Was 60 secs in before they got to the end of “Welcome….to…the….Falkirk…Football…Club….Club…………….Call”

 

[Bigbri Bairn]

Phead without 16 players tomorrow. How many players do they have?

[knee jerk reaction]

Nothing like rewriting history, Martin Rennie and Sandy Alexander are benevolent fans just needing to take a back seat as they reassess their relationship with the club  and not 2 guys who were given dogs abuse on here for years? Anyway thankfully there's a game on today and we can focus on that, a good result to keep us improving would be nice and the feel good factor will potentially see home crowds increase again cutting the debt to a small extent.

[Grangemouth Bairn]

8 hours ago, Bigbri Bairn said:

Phead without 16 players tomorrow. How many players do they have?

29 according to one of their posters although 2 don’t have work permits. They’ve not had a full bench all season.

[NavyBlueArmy1876]

Peterhead have probably got the biggest squad in the league. Including the young guys and Wilson we're around the 27 mark, some clubs running with as little as 20.

Anyway, they might be depleted but are coming off the back of a couple of decent results with a draw at East End and keeping Edinburgh out for over 80 minutes in midweek. It won't be an easy game but at least they've got Paul Dixon at the back 

[Ranaldo Bairn]

46 minutes ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said:

Peterhead have probably got the biggest squad in the league. Including the young guys and Wilson we're around the 27 mark, some clubs running with as little as 20.

Anyway, they might be depleted but are coming off the back of a couple of decent results with a draw at East End and keeping Edinburgh out for over 80 minutes in midweek. It won't be an easy game but at least they've got Paul Dixon at the back 

Looks to me like the "16" is only about 8 or 9, with a few doubtfuls. A couple are new signings not even registered yet! How many times have we seen doubtfuls make it though. I'd put money on half of those at least making it.

[gav-ffc]

The list of absentees and possible absentees on the Peterhead website.

 

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ruling out Robbie McGale, David Wilson, Jack Wilkie, Ewan Murray, Andrew McCarthy, Hamish Ritchie, Russell McLean and Ola Adeyemo.

The absentee list could grow further with doubts over Paul Dixon, Christiano Kisuka and Conor O’Keefe who missed out in midweek as well as Ryan Strachan, Ryan Dow and Jack Brown who all picked up knocks in the game against FC Edinburgh.