The Falkirk FC Thread

[Shodwall cat]

13 minutes ago, 18BAIRN76 said:

What we’ve seen over the last few weeks, and shone in particularly painful light last night, was a team that McGlynn largely put together himself. Most of the players who pulled on the jersey last night were his. Signings that have ‘improved’ us, if we are measuring from last year - but when it comes down to it, are no way near good enough. That falls on his shoulders.

Yes but the fact we still have 4 of the last lot starting is even more unacceptable to me.

[CallumPar]

3 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

Of course not!

Honest enough to admit that it's the general standard of refereeing that is poor and put together with the data would suggest there is a mindset within the referees that blatant pens, as I think my example is, aren't given.

Conversely, since the referees are that bad as acknowledged, I'd have expected at least a few more awards that weren't penalties or are you also arguing that bad refs always only make good decisions? 

I think all teams could point to penalties they should have got, but didn’t. It’s definitely a more common occurrence than penalties being awarded that shouldn’t be.  Referees are trying to make sure they don’t make the mistake of awarding penalties wrongly, so will miss some that should have been, if their view isn’t great.

Also worth noting that a lot of your attacking players are bad for diving/throwing themselves to the ground at every opportunity. Kennedy, Nesbitt, Morrison and Burrell are all examples of that. If they’re doing that all game, a referee is always going to have that in their mind when the players go down in the box.

[bairn88]

2 minutes ago, CallumPar said:

I think all teams could point to penalties they should have got, but didn’t. It’s definitely a more common occurrence than penalties being awarded that shouldn’t be.  Referees are trying to make sure they don’t make the mistake of awarding penalties wrongly, so will miss some that should have been, if their view isn’t great.

Also worth noting that a lot of your attacking players are bad for diving/throwing themselves to the ground at every opportunity. Kennedy, Nesbitt, Morrison and Burrell are all examples of that. If they’re doing that all game, a referee is always going to have that in their mind when the players go down in the box.

1 in the whole season is hilarious though and points to a ridiculous run of bad luck (especially when you consider what is a penalty these days - the semi final a great example). 

Would it have changed anything this season though? No. We'd have still finished 2nd and still been 5-0 down at HT last night. 

[Numbers_One_To_Eleven]

If anyone is up for it and changing tact slightly, bruisers came up earlier. How many bruisers have we had over the years?  More specifically 80s onwards. And I’m talking bruiser with some effectiveness. I’m thinking Yogi and big Craw for starters.

[Blame Me]

1 minute ago, CallumPar said:

I think all teams could point to penalties they should have got, but didn’t. It’s definitely a more common occurrence than penalties being awarded that shouldn’t be.  Referees are trying to make sure they don’t make the mistake of awarding penalties wrongly, so will miss some that should have been, if their view isn’t great.

Also worth noting that a lot of your attacking players are bad for diving/throwing themselves to the ground at every opportunity. Kennedy, Nesbitt, Morrison and Burrell are all examples of that. If they’re doing that all game, a referee is always going to have that in their mind when the players go down in the box.

To your 1st point I think that's a perception when you have been awarded a reasonable amount. You don't really complain because you did get one or even two (and some you shouldn't) in games and numerically spread out it seems palatable. In your case, 7 over 9 months is pretty fair wouldn't you say? 

However, when you get one over a season that is pretty poor luck as @bairn88 points out and you begin to question why similar awards in other games or against you haven't happened to you. 

As for your 2nd point that is complete horsesh*t - our players sadly are much less "streetwise" than certain sides we've faced and some of the fouls against us are laughable. 

[Bairnardo]

2 minutes ago, Numbers_One_To_Eleven said:

If anyone is up for it and changing tact slightly, bruisers came up earlier. How many bruisers have we had over the years?  More specifically 80s onwards. And I’m talking bruiser with some effectiveness. I’m thinking Yogi and big Craw for starters.

Tbf when I talk about Bruisers, I guess I mean folk who will not be bullied and will dish out their fair share. If you leave aside centre halves, and keep it to guys who did a job middle to front you'd include guys like Vaulks aswell. Guys like Davie Nic and Hagi took no shit off anyone but were also genuine footballers. Davie Sinclair could be an effective bully too. 

Not so many in the modern era I suppose. 

[Numbers_One_To_Eleven]

3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Tbf when I talk about Bruisers, I guess I mean folk who will not be bullied and will dish out their fair share. If you leave aside centre halves, and keep it to guys who did a job middle to front you'd include guys like Vaulks aswell. Guys like Davie Nic and Hagi took no shit off anyone but were also genuine footballers. Davie Sinclair could be an effective bully too. 

Not so many in the modern era I suppose. 

Lee Miller with his ariel ability could be a shout but maybe clutching at straws.

[SouthStander1876]

Paul Paton 

[Blame Me]

3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Davie Sinclair could be an effective bully too. 

My 1st Falkirk hero for reasons I've now forgotten. So many better players at that time but thought he was great.

[Numbers_One_To_Eleven]

Tom Taiwo was hard working and tough tackling but still a bit away from bruiser.

[Bairnardo]

2 minutes ago, SouthStander1876 said:

Paul Paton 

I was thinking lastnight is by far the worst, loudest, most seething abuse iv ever gave a Falkirk team. But I feel no remorse whatsoever. 

And then I minded down at Palmerston.... Paul Paton was putting in a stinker and I was tearing into him from the stand. He turned round to the crowd and make like a sort of "sorry" type gesture and had a right sad face on. I felt fucking awful straight away. 

If Ryan Williamson turned up on my doorstep in tears today I think I'd chase him off with a garden fork. 

[Shodwall cat]

25 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

1 in the whole season is hilarious though and points to a ridiculous run of bad luck (especially when you consider what is a penalty these days - the semi final a great example). 

Would it have changed anything this season though? No. We'd have still finished 2nd and still been 5-0 down at HT last night. 

Exactly. We all complain about pens not going out way but this season has been ridiculous. We don't have any more divers than any other side either so that's as much nonsense as the conspiracy theories. We've even had goals given that weren't even over the feckin line.

[Numbers_One_To_Eleven]

6 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

I was thinking lastnight is by far the worst, loudest, most seething abuse iv ever gave a Falkirk team. But I feel no remorse whatsoever. 

And then I minded down at Palmerston.... Paul Paton was putting in a stinker and I was tearing into him from the stand. He turned round to the crowd and make like a sort of "sorry" type gesture and had a right sad face on. I felt fucking awful straight away. 

If Ryan Williamson turned up on my doorstep in tears today I think I'd chase him off with a garden fork. 

It was the same last night as at Hampden. He was waving to come off there and though I don’t think he did that last night, he was stretching his quad early in the second half, just like his antics at Hampden.

 

Why wasn’t he, at the very, very least, replaced by Finn Yeats at half time? (whose performance I actually enjoyed last night, a proper kind of full back display).

Edited May 10, 2023 by Numbers_One_To_Eleven

[CallumPar]

6 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

To your 1st point I think that's a perception when you have been awarded a reasonable amount. You don't really complain because you did get one or even two (and some you shouldn't) in games and numerically spread out it seems palatable. In your case, 7 over 9 months is pretty fair wouldn't you say? 

However, when you get one over a season that is pretty poor luck as @bairn88 points out and you begin to question why similar awards in other games or against you haven't happened to you. 

As for your 2nd point that is complete horsesh*t - our players sadly are much less "streetwise" than certain sides we've faced and some of the fouls against us are laughable. 

I dunno why you’re talking about 7 penalties over 9 months. Number of games is the only really meaningful measure, not months. We got 7 in 36 games. We’ll get none for a 3 month period now, going by your logic, that would suggest we should have more. But we won’t be playing a league game…

I do agree that it seems very strange you’ve only had one penalty over the course of the season. But I can only base it on games I’ve seen. You’ve only really had one penalty claim against us and I do think it would have been given with VAR, but I’ve seen incidents like that not given in several games this season. No point in comparing the semi final, where VAR was needed to give that.

You possibly have had more than your fair share of bad luck. You’d obviously know better than me. But your fans on here are complaining about an Airdrie defender not being sent off when Allan pulled him to the ground (despite the fact footage shows the referee got it right) and the penalty decision last night, where the only controversy was that your player wasn’t sent off. That’s always going to make people doubt your claims, if your views are so unreasonable.

[SouthStander1876]

When Yeats came on he missplaced his first pass/touch out of play and i was thinking "here we go again". But he brought it back and had a decent game. He also seems a nippy wee player, if he bulks up a bit he could be great. 

Thankfully we never have to see Williamson in a Falkirk shirt again, horrible excuse of a footballer with an even worse attitude.

[Diamonds are Forever]

37 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

Of course not!

Honest enough to admit that it's the general standard of refereeing that is poor and put together with the data would suggest there is a mindset within the referees that blatant pens, as I think my example is, aren't given.

Conversely, since the referees are that bad as acknowledged, I'd have expected at least a few more awards that weren't penalties or are you also arguing that bad refs always only make good decisions? 

 

In the last 3 seasons in the 'Penalties received table' Falkirk ranked 5th, 5th and 2nd, which correlates almost perfectly with their league placings. So there's no evidence of being hard done to previously.

No doubt this season seems a bit of an anomaly but there will always be that. For example Montrose got 14 penalties last season (7 more than us despite us finishing 13 points clear of them and scoring 15 more goals than them).

Random chance plays a big part in it, but it's also having players who are able to win penalties. Sometimes that is code for 'cheating', but it can also be players who are intelligent and know how to get in positions to be fouled, or to highlight when they are being fouled (like Stanway last night).

The average number of penalties this season is 4.8 per team, so whatever the reason, at most that's 3 or 4 penalties short of 'normal', it would have made zero difference. Even if those 3 or 4 penalties had been crucial goals (which is unlikely) and turned draws into wins you'd still have finished well short of Dunfermline.

It seems to have been used as the basis of a 'woe is us' attitude by some fans. When really it's made no difference to your season.

 

[HoBNob]

2 hours ago, Shodwall cat said:

Yeah complete accident. .

He completely, accidentally had his boot at head height? 

 

That's not a red?! You're at it. 

[Diamonds are Forever]

34 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

1 in the whole season is hilarious though and points to a ridiculous run of bad luck (especially when you consider what is a penalty these days - the semi final a great example). 

Would it have changed anything this season though? No. We'd have still finished 2nd and still been 5-0 down at HT last night. 

 

That is it in a nutshell, rather than my long winded post. You've probably had a bit of bad luck with 3 or 4 decisions, just like some teams will be on the lucky side of that fence (I used Montrose getting 14 pens last season as an example).

As you say, it's not been a relevant factor in how Falkirk have done this season.

[SouthStander1876]

1 minute ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

In the last 3 seasons in the 'Penalties received table' Falkirk ranked 5th, 5th and 2nd, which correlates almost perfectly with their league placings. So there's no evidence of being hard done to previously.

No doubt this season seems a bit of an anomaly but there will always be that. For example Montrose got 14 penalties last season (7 more than us despite us finishing 13 points clear of them and scoring 15 more goals than them).

Random chance plays a big part in it, but it's also having players who are able to win penalties. Sometimes that is code for 'cheating', but it can also be players who are intelligent and know how to get in positions to be fouled, or to highlight when they are being fouled (like Stanway last night).

The average number of penalties this season is 4.8 per team, so whatever the reason, at most that's 3 or 4 penalties short of 'normal', it would have made zero difference. Even if those 3 or 4 penalties had been crucial goals (which is unlikely) and turned draws into wins you'd still have finished well short of Dunfermline.

It seems to have been used as the basis of a 'woe is us' attitude by some fans. When really it's made no difference to your season.

 

The fact of the matter is that we have been extremely extremely unfortunate in terms of penalties etc. However, it's not an excuse for where we are or last nights result, we haven't been good enough and we know that.

[superandy_07]

Deary me, I didn't think we'd be back to square one but here we are once again in Groundhog Day May.

It did feel like there was real progress being made up until the game at East End in March, since then there's been an under current building of something like this coming. That first half last night was us crashing into the cliff face. If there wasn't a second leg I think he'd already be gone.

I just can't see us sticking with him, that post match interview buys him even less time left with the fans.

He stood and watched the game unfold, scratched his coupon and changed absolutely nothing, unforgivable. 

The miracle is now to score a bucket load and not conceded, something that we've not achieved since the start of March. 

I can see us going a goal behind and the place going apoplectic on Saturday. The same thing that happened to Houstie, Hartley McKinnon, M&M, Sheerin and Rennie – will happen to McGlynn.

The risk for the BOD if they persist with McGlynn I think season tickets/attendances will take a hit, folk seem absolutely fed up.

Another season of failure.

Edited May 10, 2023 by superandy_07