The Falkirk FC Thread

[Chinatoon Bairn]

21 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

I was down at a game in London the other week, and was amazed when over the tannoys I heard the name “Olumide Durojaiye” (spelling) in the away team lineup. 

The standard was complete pish - wouldn’t be surprised to see Hartley snap up a few in the winter. 

Cove's right back Rio came from Durojaiye's team. He's beat ye to it.

[Proudtobeabairn]

I think most of us are capable of following more than one conversation in a thread.  There hasn't been a league game for a week and a half and the team are doing well so what other hot topics are there?  

[bairn88]

[Forever_Blue_]

5 minutes ago, Proudtobeabairn said:

I think most of us are capable of following more than one conversation in a thread.  There hasn't been a league game for a week and a half and the team are doing well so what other hot topics are there?  

Accept your views. 20+ other people liking a post about creating a new thread for this topic swayed my view the other way. 

[Reggie Perrin]

3 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

Very nice but what does this have to do with shares?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said:

Very nice but what does this have to do with shares?

That we’re scoring our fair share of goals?

Edited September 13, 2023 by Van_damage

[HopeStreetWalker]

48 minutes ago, Proudtobeabairn said:

I think most of us are capable of following more than one conversation in a thread.  There hasn't been a league game for a week and a half and the team are doing well so what other hot topics are there?  

Here is a good thread

Former professional footballers are 3.5 times more likely to develop dementia.

There was a discussion on Off The Ball a week last Saturday where the statistics were went through and it was sobering. For example if you are a defender your chances of being afflicted by this terrible condition increase from 3.5 times to 5 times while a Goalie who very rarely if ever heads a ball has the same chances as a fan in the stand. It looks like heading the ball will end in the early 2030's

Heading the ball is on it's way out in the game and it's going to become sport described in its name - Football.

It will transform the game benefitting the skillful, intelligent player. Tactics will change for example Corner kicks will become a whole new set play. The physical aspect will change for example a smaller mobile, quick-on-the-turn, positional defender will have the advantage over the traditional power defender.

The teams that are brave enough and have the vision to transition first will benefit and reap the rewards.

Thoughts?

 

[gav-ffc]

1 hour ago, bairn88 said:

Sorry didn’t read would rather be pedantic about a small % of shares. 

[Zbairn]

17 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

Here is a good thread

Former professional footballers are 3.5 times more likely to develop dementia.

There was a discussion on Off The Ball a week last Saturday where the statistics were went through and it was sobering. For example if you are a defender your chances of being afflicted by this terrible condition increase from 3.5 times to 5 times while a Goalie who very rarely if ever heads a ball has the same chances as a fan in the stand. It looks like heading the ball will end in the early 2030's

Heading the ball is on it's way out in the game and it's going to become sport described in its name - Football.

It will transform the game benefitting the skillful, intelligent player. Tactics will change for example Corner kicks will become a whole new set play. The physical aspect will change for example a smaller mobile, quick-on-the-turn, positional defender will have the advantage over the traditional power defender.

The teams that are brave enough and have the vision to transition first will benefit and reap the rewards.

Thoughts?

 

Interesting subject!

it depends on when and where the data was taken from.  If we are talking about players from before the 70's when sodden balls were like a concrete sphere, then I could understand. Today's balls are so much lighter, but travel at much more pace. We need someone with a physics PhD on here to explain the concept / effect of mass and velocity  compared to then and now.

I think the more technically gifted countries tend to head the ball less as well, so that data may not be relevant to them

Any blow to the head can lead to serious issues. 

With respect to the game changing, it would be more akin to a larger 5-a-side match. It would be a completely different sport.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Zbairn

[Forever_Blue_]

30 minutes ago, Zbairn said:

Interesting subject!

it depends on when and where the data was taken from.  If we are talking about players from before the 70's when sodden balls were like a concrete sphere, then I could understand. Today's balls are so much lighter, but travel at much more pace. We need someone with a physics PhD on here to explain the concept / effect of mass and velocity  compared to then and now.

I think the more technically gifted countries tend to head the ball less as well, so that data may not be relevant to them

Any blow to the head can lead to serious issues. 

With respect to the game changing, it would be more akin to a larger 5-a-side match. It would be a completely different sport.

Good points. Stats must be based on players from at least 20-30 years ago (probably more, alot more). 

That being said, dementia is a horrible disease and it's good to see the debate being brought forward. Anything that can be done to reduce that risk should be considered. 

Football without heading just doesn't sound right. Hopefully people much smarter than us will come up with better ideas to reduce the risk, or find a cure. 

[badgertheeuro24witness]

1 hour ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

Here is a good thread

Former professional footballers are 3.5 times more likely to develop dementia.

There was a discussion on Off The Ball a week last Saturday where the statistics were went through and it was sobering. For example if you are a defender your chances of being afflicted by this terrible condition increase from 3.5 times to 5 times while a Goalie who very rarely if ever heads a ball has the same chances as a fan in the stand. It looks like heading the ball will end in the early 2030's

Heading the ball is on it's way out in the game and it's going to become sport described in its name - Football.

It will transform the game benefitting the skillful, intelligent player. Tactics will change for example Corner kicks will become a whole new set play. The physical aspect will change for example a smaller mobile, quick-on-the-turn, positional defender will have the advantage over the traditional power defender.

The teams that are brave enough and have the vision to transition first will benefit and reap the rewards.

Thoughts?

 

Optional head guards, foul & a yellow card offense if someone heads the ball while not wearing one.

[Latapy is god]

1 hour ago, gav-ffc said:

Sorry didn’t read would rather be pedantic about a small % of shares. 

[Ranaldo Bairn]

1 hour ago, Zbairn said:

Interesting subject!

it depends on when and where the data was taken from.  If we are talking about players from before the 70's when sodden balls were like a concrete sphere, then I could understand. Today's balls are so much lighter, but travel at much more pace. We need someone with a physics PhD on here to explain the concept / effect of mass and velocity  compared to then and now.

I think the more technically gifted countries tend to head the ball less as well, so that data may not be relevant to them

Any blow to the head can lead to serious issues. 

With respect to the game changing, it would be more akin to a larger 5-a-side match. It would be a completely different sport.

Was discussing this with my inlaws the other day. They were acquainted with Billy McNeill and witnessed his decline at first hand.

One thing people mistake is the basic weight of the ball - that has not changed forever. You are right both in saying that sodden balls are worse, and that velocity is the key. A Higher Physics student (no PhD required) could tell you all about momentum and impulse and how they are related to force upon the head. The paper I link to below models changes in velocity, mass and stiffness of the ball (strongly related to pressure) and the effect on the force applied.

Velocity is strongly the greatest factor. The recent changes to the goal kick rules might prove very beneficial in the long run for players.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.13816

 

[Stainrod]

30 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said:

Optional head guards, foul & a yellow card offense if someone heads the ball while not wearing one.

Most jobs especially sporting roles carry a risk . There needs to be lots of education about the risks but ultimately the participant can choose not to . 

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Stainrod said:

Most jobs especially sporting roles carry a risk . There needs to be lots of education about the risks but ultimately the participant can choose not to . 

Was just thinking of that with boxing and MMA. Rugby is the same. They have more regulations to prevent further harm but only after the injury has been done. It’s not just direct head contact too but whip lash upon heavy impact.

Can’t see any way to eradicate head knocks without changing the sport entirely. Football would be totally different if they remove headers.
 

I suppose it would be interesting to run some test games where it’s removed entirely. Maybe the corner kick could be moved to a pass from the bye line like hockey? 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Van_damage

[HopeStreetWalker]

4 hours ago, Zbairn said:

Interesting subject!

it depends on when and where the data was taken from.  If we are talking about players from before the 70's when sodden balls were like a concrete sphere, then I could understand. Today's balls are so much lighter, but travel at much more pace. We need someone with a physics PhD on here to explain the concept / effect of mass and velocity  compared to then and now.

I think the more technically gifted countries tend to head the ball less as well, so that data may not be relevant to them

Any blow to the head can lead to serious issues. 

With respect to the game changing, it would be more akin to a larger 5-a-side match. It would be a completely different sport.

What surprised me is that the ball is still the weight, didn't know that before and as you stated the ball travels faster now so in fact it is even a bigger danger now.

[HopeStreetWalker]

4 hours ago, Forever_Blue_ said:

Good points. Stats must be based on players from at least 20-30 years ago (probably more, alot more). 

That being said, dementia is a horrible disease and it's good to see the debate being brought forward. Anything that can be done to reduce that risk should be considered. 

Football without heading just doesn't sound right. Hopefully people much smarter than us will come up with better ideas to reduce the risk, or find a cure. 

Investigating the matter after the Off The Ball discussion. The reasoning is that change is coming. As for no heading just does not sound right a defender 5 times more likely to get dementia than a fan watching. That alone means change from the authorities, players unionn , insurance companies and ultimately from the parents who armed with that statistic will insist - you do not head the ball.

The sooner we buy into the idea the better.

[HopeStreetWalker]

3 hours ago, badgerthewitness said:

Optional head guards, foul & a yellow card offense if someone heads the ball while not wearing one.

Head guards were found not to have an effect.

The impact of the ball on the head still causes the brain to bounce off the skull.

Plenty of data on the web and worth investigating

Respect

[gav-ffc]

6 hours ago, bairn88 said:

But don’t we need two up top every game?

[Springfield]

Update on FSS Fans Director Nominations

On 19th August the FSS Committee communicated that, following our FSS Fan Director John Wright standing down from his position, we were seeking member nominations to fill our second available FSS Fans Director seat on the FFC Board. 

We wanted to update members that disappointedly, despite an extension of the deadline to 11th September, there have been no nominations. This vacancy is open at an exciting time for the club as we look to push for promotion back to the Championship.

However, many members, who in principle would be interested, provided us with feedback as to why the role was unattractive. Overwhelmingly, members' perceptions of the role were that the expectations are too demanding - ultimately the FSS Fans Director(s) should be there to represent FSS members' views first and foremost, with any transferable, operational skill an additional benefit.

The Committee have reflected on this feedback, and whilst we understand that the director role has been active and hands on, there is an indication that the hard work and progress from directors over the last 18 months is reducing this operational work. Our current FSS Fans Director, Nigel Serafini, talked about this on the recent Falkirk FC podcast, stating that his 'workload' has reduced to no more than 10 hours p/w including matchdays.

In terms of next steps? We will proactively work with the Board to redefine the role requirements, this should firstly provide members with a clear understanding of the role and, subsequently, it is hoped that this will open it to a wider demographic. Once we have a re-examined the 'job spec' we will return to the membership for nominations.

This means, that for the time being, FSS have a vacant seat on the Board. We will discuss with the Board the potential to appoint an interim, co-opted director from the FSS Committee who can support the refinement of the role.

Thank you,

The Falkirk Supporters’ Society Committee

FALKIRK SUPPORTERS' SOCIETY

71 Morningside Street

Glasgow