Guest Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Gaz said: You think that using words such as "Paki" can be excused due to people not knowing that they are racist. I counter that with saying that I believe there is not one person, that is not a child, who does not know that that is a racist word. Therefore, to use it is to be racist. Gaz, you are also failing to understand the difference between racist and xenophobic.....and no, they are not interchangeable. You are saying you clearly know the word “Paki” is racist. The word is a derogatory slang for “Pakistani” is it not? So it wouldn’t actually be a racist term, but a xenophobic one (given that there isn’t a race of people called “Pakistanis”). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, kyleffc said: can you drop the last however many pages of shite and get back to talking football and the positives of the team going forward on sat, still lacked in the middle for me though Good point, well made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Gaz, you are also failing to understand the difference between racist and xenophobic.....and no, they are not interchangeable. You are saying you clearly know the word “Paki” is racist. The word is a derogatory slang for “Pakistani” is it not? So it wouldn’t actually be a racist term, but a xenophobic one (given that there isn’t a race of people called “Pakistanis”). A common fallacy. The word 'Paki' wasn't used solely as a derogatory term for people of Pakistani origin. Rather, it was used as a derogatory term for people with a particular characteristic. What do you think that characteristic was? Or, do you actually believe that your common-garden racist found out where people were from before using it? Edited March 13, 2018 by Gaz 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gaz said: I am well aware there is a difference between ignorance and racism. I just don't believe that anyone can claim 'ignorance' over 'Paki' being a racist term. I put his first term down to ignorance at the time of reading, he could have handled it better when called out there and then and apologised for any offence caused. Instead he tried to explain why it was ok again thinking he is just being ignorant to this specific term. Jimmy then asked him whether he thought your above term was acceptable and he did..... Well that was that after his reply to be honest. I called him put as a Bernard manning type last year. Nailed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Probably is time to leave this all alone tbh. Think we have all said our piece. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I preferred this thread when we were discussing football. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka202 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I also thought Jakubiaks goal was good too. To bend it round the keeper from 20 yards with a defender in front of him takes a bit of doing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Hazard in the northern Ireland squad. When do they play? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka202 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said: Hazard in the northern Ireland squad. When do they play? They play Spain on the 22nd March in the U21 euro qualifiers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Hazard in the northern Ireland squad. When do they play? Theres U21s the week after next. I see the St Mirren lads on their thread mentioning a potential postponement to our game against them as they have 3 called up so maybe we wont have to do without Hazard. Eta would take missing Hazard to get them with three first team players away tbh -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Hazard in the northern Ireland squad. When do they play? The guys looked nervy to me at times in his few games for us. It’s a bit of a step up to play at international level but I guess if you play for either of the OF its almost inevitable he would get called up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I should mention its full squad not U21s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I should mention its full squad not U21s Full squad.....fucking hell. They are either well short of keepers or thats yer Old Firm love in in full flow. Nae offence to the laddie but hes not exactly proven a lot yet. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Probably not, but I can think of examples in my lifetime where people have used the term with no intention to show dislike or disrespect (same applies to chinky) Admittedly we are probably talking a lot more common 15-20 years ago as people become aware of the offense caused. My point simply is that not every instance of this is designed to cause offence, but if someone makes that mistake, they should make a point of not making it again. 17 hours ago, Gaz said: If folk are using words like Paki and Chinky in 2018 then they're well aware how offensive they are. Ignorance is not an excuse. I'm positive you had a Falkirk fan in the last year say "chinky" on this board when he was referring to a Chinese takeaway. He admitted the error of his ways though. Been a bad year on PnB for posters not knowing what terms would be considered racist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'm positive you had a Falkirk fan in the last year say "chinky" on this board when he was referring to a Chinese takeaway. He admitted the error of his ways though. Been a bad year on PnB for posters not knowing what terms would be considered racist. Yeah I remember that incident. He was apologetic about it when pulled up and pretty genuine. Perhaps he isnt a racist?Anyway, we are moving on it seems. By all means get a racism thread on the go though. Its a big issue and well worth discussion. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka202 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said: I should mention its full squad not U21s So it is. In that case its the 24th March. Pretty mental to think he's been called up to the full squad after 5 or 6 first team games. I doubt he'll play, but it'll be good for him to experience being with the squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 6 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said: I should mention its full squad not U21s Full squad.....fucking hell. They are either well short of keepers or thats yer Old Firm love in in full flow. Nae offence to the laddie but hes not exactly proven a lot yet. Still have Mcgovern and Carson infront of him mind you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Yeah I remember that incident. He was apologetic about it when pulled up and pretty genuine. Perhaps he isnt a racist? Didn't seem like one, maybe a bit "yer granda" but I remember him being pretty apologetic about it when it was pointed out. Anyway I'll stop derailing your thread, carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkirkLad Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well that was 10 minutes of my life i'll never get back, what a load of guff. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well that was 10 minutes of my life i'll never get back, what a load of guff. Just 10 minutes?.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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